so don't buy one? :scratch:
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so don't buy one? :scratch:
I don't plan on it. However I would like to see a company do well making viable alternative energy vehicles. And I have a feeling this will do as well as most other options out there.......not very well. But that's just what I think the market could prove me wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by goofygrin
you mean like hundreds of thousands of priuses being sold a year?
or the shortages of VW TDi Jettas that we've been experiencing since they came out?
Of course BMW is singing the woes of trying to sell a diesel in the US market with their X5d and 335d, but their products are stupid expensive and their dealers are douchebags, so I don't bemoan them anything.
If you're talking about fuel cells, that's just stupid technology...
Why on earth are you running E85 in that thing? By my math, you're getting 15mpg - best case.:punchout:Quote:
Originally Posted by goofygrin
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As for the Leaf... a pure electric might be fine for errands/light commuting in a confined urban area, but in most parts of this country it will be a niche car - a toy, really. Unless you had easy access to long-distance public transportation (trains, planes, etc), you'd still have to have a real car for trips of any substance. And by "real car" I mean one with access to a widespread, convenient, and quick refueling (recharging) infrastructure. In my mind, the Volt is better suited to primary car duty. If I had to speculate, the future (at least in this country) lies in some sort of hybrid car - of the fuel-cell variety, not the stopgap gas or diesel hybrids.
I'd rather see tax subsidies for more ambitious technology than hybrids and pure electrics, but at least this is a way to get batteries and motors some real world development.
He's running E85 because everyone needs 450 whp for the daily commute. :wink:
As for me, I'm all for electric cars. The more the merrier. Did I mention that I design mining equipment for a living? The more electric vehicles, the more machines we sell to coal and lithium mines. Bring it! :mrgreen:
What's wrong with fuel cells?Quote:
Originally Posted by goofygrin
What Iain said ;) You don't ask the same thing of the people driving a suburban by themselves to work do you?Quote:
Originally Posted by trickyrix
And I think that most suburban dwelling people will still have two vehicles, one that's an around town, EV (or similar) and one "long range" vehicle for those trips out of town and the like. Honestly for the really long trips (Florida and Colorado) I've taken to renting a car. It's more expensive, but I don't put the miles and wear and tear on one of my cars and when I get home I don't care about how funky it is, I just drop it back off :D
Yep... E-85 is much higher octane than pump gas, allowing turbo guys to run much more boost without knock. There are a few turbo Miatas running E85 at around 500hp (including a former dfwmiata member).
You mean other than "they'll be a viable technology soon" for 20 years? The hundreds of thousands of existing fuel stations that would need to be converted to providing the fuel for the cells, etc, etc, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by trickyrix
I liked the Volt when it was first pitched. I'd still buy one, but they keep lowering the ev only range and raising the price.
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Originally Posted by Titus
boost and timing :D
Alright TC !!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by tailchaser
Ah... I didn't know you had a 450-horse commuter. :burnrubr:Quote:
Originally Posted by goofygrin
I don't question those folks to their face, but I do sometimes the wisdom of commuting in a 3-ton behemoth. We've got a guy here at work who commutes in a friggin' Excursion, and he's got a nasty habit of backing into parked cars because he can't see out of the damn thing.
And it's been argued that the companies who make them either take a loss or barely break even. They can keep doing that due to govt. incentives and the amount of other cars they sell.Quote:
Originally Posted by goofygrin
I hope you aren't taking what I say personally I support research into alternative fuels however on that same token I want my tax money to be invested wisely not pissed into the wind............though they do that on other things besides this subject lol.
I still want a CNG hybrid. No need to go to the local Valero or Shell station AND go more than 100 miles.
Just curious... has anyone seen a range estimate on the Leaf if you, say, turn on the AC? That would be very important for me here in Texas...
Good quesiton :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave04
Ya, there are a lot bigger fish to fry (*cough* wars *cough*) than this.... I'm all for research, but I think you have to turn a practical eye to it. I want a Mr. Fusion!Quote:
Originally Posted by jeepinbanditrider
We were joking about this. 100 miles without headlights, radio, ac, windows up, no stopping, etc. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Dave04
I want a complementry Flux Capacitor when I pick mine up lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by goofygrin
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