...it's crap like this that makes me want to kill Club Roadster with fire.
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Lots of queerdom over there.
Side mirror delete... I can get behind this fab as i hope it leads to a lot of dead club roster people.
You know, I just don't get the youth of today. When I was 18, I was like so many of my peers. We wanted to make our cars as fast as possible,look cool as hell and drive the shit out of em. We liked hot chicks, enjoyed fist fights, explosions, drunken debachaurey and chaos. It wasn't that long ago we were tuning suspensions, upgrading turbos and racing whatever car we happened to pick up...yeah there was some Corollas and Maximas etc. that shouldn't have been altered..we did it anyway.
Today's youth wants to grow a shitty stache, write some poetry, snap some retro photos and completely ruin their suspensions handling properties in lieau of a desired look. No money is spent on aesthetic upgrades, and damaged parts are simply covered in stickers. They are all so afraid of being called rice that they are scared shitless of improving the looks of their 17 year old cars, and they buy 3k$ wheels and zero performance upgrades. Has popular culture completely emasculated America?
Not that I would do this myself, but I am not really getting the hatred for someone removing their passenger mirror. There was a time, when a passenger side mirror wasn't standard equipment on cars. And when it comes to the Miata, I can't recall the last time I relied on it for anything. If I am changing lanes to the right, I always give a quick look over my shoulder, even if I already checked the mirror.
It looks like some of these idiots are removing both outside mirrors... just sayin.
My '67 Cadillac only has one mirror on the driver side so does that make me cooler than I already was?Quote:
Originally Posted by Titus
Only if you put a british flag where the mirror would be.
No different than lead sleds, low riders, slammed mini-trucks, ricers and donks.Quote:
Originally Posted by surgeon
As long as people have been customizing cars there has been a sub-section who go for "a look" over performance.
Japan is a HUGE influence on this looks over performance. They have absurd minivans with huge wings and spoilers and cars with gignormous 6 foot exhaust pipes and exposed oil coolers strapped to the front bumper (be glad this hasn't taken root here!)
So hate all you want but it isn't something new.
That being said, removing mirrors on a street car is dumb! Chip Foose did it to all his Overhaulin' cars though.
Even then, there was the concept of looking fast, the illusion of a race car. Lead sleds were spawned from hotrodding..building whatever you had up to race it because you couldn't afford a new muscle car. Lowriders and Donks are in the performance audio crowd, which is still a competition...just not my flavor. Ricers all wanted to look like over the top track cars. The sub styles all have roots within somthing performance related. The ricers...hell they would race up and down the street... after the first F&F movie anyone with a civic slapped a cold air intake and aluminum spoiler on it and tried to take on 'vettes.Quote:
Originally Posted by black roadster
The Bosozoku styles are aimed after 70's race cars with the flare and wheel set up, while it is a style originated from street gangs and thus they did mockery jobs to violate japan's over extensive vehicle modification regulations.
The sticker bomb, negative camber, stretch tire slammed thing just doesn't have any roots I can see in racing, so it isn't even an attempt to emulate a fast car. The grassroots drifting has somewhat of an impact, but the hoodride in itself is much more of an import "donk" without the sound system.
Gonna have to disagree with you on this one.Quote:
Originally Posted by surgeon
I never saw much in the way of stretched tires or sticker bombs until the drifting scene got popular years ago. Even then, the first year or two I remember seeing the stretched tire thing was from actual drift cars throwing on whatever crap tires they had available to drift with, which were usually cheap skinny tires meant for econoboxes. Then it made its way over to "normal" cars, usually from people that wanted to say they have way-too-wide wheels that needed way-too-small tires to get the wheels to "fit" (which is when I noticed the high negative camber coming into play).
Same with sticker bombing: at first all I saw were actual drift cars doing that to cover damage and support sponsors.
Keep in mind that those are my observations of those trends from well before there was any kind of drift "scene" in the States yet...so a long time ago. And I don't support stretching tires, dumb amounts of negative camber, or sticier bombing at all, so I'm not trying to defend either.
I saw the fashion on VW's long before I did RWD cars, so perhaps I am biased.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob®
Age/time difference maybe? I'm talking mid-late 90s. Might be different areas too? I grew up around a HUGE VW scene (NJ/NY/PA). I'd say there are still more VWs than anything else in the area, and I didn't see much of that crap before drifting starting becoming big over here. Most VWs were just slammed with BBS or knockoff wheels, but oddly enough they didn't seem to have massive amounts of neg camber. Obviously there were exceptions.
The stretched tire is, as you said a cheap used drift tire, the stretched tire+ negative camber is to fit a RWD offest on a FWD car and have a 4 inch lip.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob®
It is what it is. I can't relate, but I suppose I understand that they are doing what they are doing to "look cool". One way or another.
I just checked out their website. I don't get why they would take off the passenger mirror.... is it even legal to do that? Why would you want only 1 mirror and a little sticker covering the hole on the other side?
Exactly. Just saying I disagreed with saying it has nothing to do with a "racing" background, at least from my observations.Quote:
Originally Posted by surgeon
The mirror thing, that's just silly. At least weld the holes closed and repaint the door. The plugs/badges just look completely out of place.
A lot of the Club Roadster stuff is silly to many of us. It is just a way of expressing themselves and typically is for a "look". While it may not appeal to you or me I can appreciate their enthusiasm I guess. If you REALLY want to see some crazy CR cars check out the Slammed Thread.
another point, there are a number of CR guys running mirrors on the front fenders for the old roadster look. That would facilitate the need for the original mirror delete plate....
There are some WTF cars on CR, but I actually like lurking over there........
Lots of jackassery over there, but there are some great ideas as well. Even a dyslexic banana finds a mouse now and then...
My 87' CRX HF didn't have a pass. side mirror. What ev', to each his own.
Same for my '63 Impala. Only one outside mirror and it's on the driver's side. How could you be any cooler than cool?Quote:
Originally Posted by POS Racing
My (formerly...luckily) 79 924 had no passenger side mirror. My 66 FJ40 doesn't either. In TX, this is legal, since you only are required to have 1 rear-facing mirror to pass safety inspection. In some states, there are no safety inspections at all. It would probably be "legal" in those states as well.
For the heritage crowd, Google image shows plenty of old Elans without passenger side mirrors.
I don't think I would remove any mirrors myself on a street driven car.Quote:
Originally Posted by black roadster
Some afternoons at work in the HEB area I see a red slammed miata heading east on highway 10. One day there was a slammed white one following it. They both have what looked to be 17" rims.
I can't imagine how much worse the roads would seem while that low. I would love a 1/2" drop though.
92 Civic DX had no passenger, and my 68 Ford Falcon as well... I think the big thing is there is talk about eliminating both side view mirrors....which is silly especially with the awesome soft top blindspot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sharpie