If you were picking one which one would it be and why?
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If you were picking one which one would it be and why?
You need to go see if you fit in it first. I went and looked at an FRS and it is a little car.
Brz. The nose looks nicer to me and it at least has two standard trim levels.
FRS so I can still hang out with the Evo guys.
BRZ... only teenage girls and old people drive Scions.
ken o is an old people... ;-)Quote:
Originally Posted by trickyrix
I am definitely in the BRZ camp. The engine seems like the superior choice to me. I toyed with the idea of replacing the MX-5 with one, but I'm going to wait a couple years and maybe pick up a used one. $27K is too much for me to spend on a car that I will attempt to destroy on a weekly basis. It looks a little better too, but you obviously don't care about what your cars look like. :punchout:
Will Ken O be able to get one in an automatic? He seems to prefer them, now.
Aren't the engines the same?Quote:
Originally Posted by OZMDD
That and Toyota dealerships are the worst out there.Quote:
Originally Posted by trickyrix
I think the engines and power are the same. I thought I read that the BRZ was better setup for handling. Looking at ads some dealers are asking $10K over MSRP, BAHH HA HA HA HA....
Is that not enough over MSRP for you?? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by ken o
Yes, I just realized the engine is the same. I was under the mistaken impression that they were not identical. I do understand that the handling characteristics are different. Maybe the spring rates? I've read too many articles to keep it straight.
They are mechanically identical except for something in the suspension (either spring rates, dampening or sway bars) that, according to one of the big car magazines, causes the BRZ to handle more neutral, and the Scion to be more tail-happy. This wasn't a trick ForeverZero, it was a joint venture from the start, basically Subaru engineered the car, with money from Toyota, and was allowed to borrow some of their tech (direct injection, 6-speed, etc.). Toyota funded most of the project and took care of the styling. Subaru is also manufacturing them all. This is all from what I understand from reading about the car for the past year, so I could be wrong (I did read it on the internet after all).
Anyway, I'd take the Subaru over the Scion any day because I'm a rally fan, but even if I wasn't, I think its better to buy from the company that actually designed the important bits. I think its funny that in the comic above, they say Toyota did the styling because of the Tribeca, but come on: the Scion xB is right up there with the Pontiac Aztec for the most hideous wheeled vehicle ever created.
I love the BRZ. Still waiting on an STI trim.
http://www.topspeed.com/cars/subaru/...-ar127134.html
No turbo for future BRZ STI.
Has that been confirmed by Subaru? I know the turbo doesn't fit in the location the WRX/STI has it, because the engine is further back and it would have to be mounted in the glove box, lol. 250hp NA doesn't sound too bad to me for a light 4cyl.Quote:
Originally Posted by CHeavin_2006
From what I've read it looks like it's a confirmed no turbo. I agree, I'm not disappointed with 250hp out of a naturally aspirated 2.0, though.
I found this very interesting. The author calls them out on three different points; mid-engine, double wishbone, and camber adjustment.
Damn glad I drive a Miata and further reinforced in patiently waiting for the ND. Thanks to modernbeat for finding this article.
I've never seen/heard Toyota/Subaru calling it mid-engine; only that the engine is mounted lower and further back than the H4's in previous Subarus because they no longer needed to drive the front wheels.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nails
On the double wishbone topic, they did say in that article "No matter what you call it, the suspension that Scion/Subaru has fitted back here is quite good out on the road." For camber adjustment, it's just replacing a bolt (http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6725) and I believe this is how many other Subaru's handle camber adjustment as well.
*shrugs*
Warning: California liberal socialism content:
http://fecompetition.wordpress.com/category/scion-fr-s/
I think the BRZ will offer a second, higher trim level than the Scion version (and be priced accordingly). That said, I think I'd go for the Subaru cred and suspension set-up but find a way to graft the Scion front end onto the car.
It seems Terry Fair has a car. AST shocks to be here in July.
Maybe I am the last to know this.
http://www.tamscc.org/forum/showthre...916#post135916
Same info on his Facebook page.
It will be great to see Terry driving a light weight car for a change.
^I didn't know that.
PS
There's an article in the latest GRM about the FR-S.
Had to swing by the Nissan dealership (Dennison,Tx) to pick up a part. It's a combo Nissan/Honda/Toyota kinda place with seperate facilities for each, and a combo used car lot. First thing to catch my eye is a silver FR-S prominently displayed on the used car lot?
So, after getting my part, on the way out I stop by to check it out. Mostly interested to see if there is a market adjustment price of some type.
Indeed it has a used car sticker on the window, no price listed. Old guy salesperson saunters up and introduces himself. Then the very next words out of his mouth are "it's $27,xxx". I ask if that's the retail price for a new one and he say no, new retail is $26,xxx.
I ask him if Scion still has the no haggle, fixed pricing? He says yep, but not on used ones (with a crooked evil grin).
The car had 482 miles on it (so he said, car was locked).
As I'm peering through the tinted windows, he says "ain't been nuttin but a bunch of young kids been checking it out, we wont even let em test drive it, but you can drive it if ya want"..
Umm, thanks?
You're ::OldMan:: !Quote:
Originally Posted by SixAce
Should have took him out and shown him your best Ken Block impersonation!
I wouldn't be suprised to find out that a LOT of FR-S end up on Scion used car lots with a couple of hundred miles. Crooked, sleazy bastards.Quote:
Originally Posted by SixAce
Dishonest car dealers! No freaking way!
What Is The World Coming To?
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Come on, it's possible that someone else's Ken O bought it, found out that he didn't fit, and traded it on another after keeping in three days (in case the other one fits). ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by altiain
It was my old car. I didn't fit. Only took a $10k hit on trade in.