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Very strange comparison indeed. The two cars are similar in some ways and totally different in others. I would take the Cayman S any day (probably even the base Cayman).
Ya, very confusing... Even more befuddling is the shittastic tires that come stock on the FRS/BRZ. Seriously, what were they thinking?
Although @ 2x the cost, I don't forsee many people cross shopping these two vehicles. Especially considering how terrible Toyota dealers are (well maybe it's just GST dealers, but still).
Buy the BRZ, spring for sticky rubber and coilovers, and for roughly $35K you have a half-price Caymans S that it a blast for DD and track duties.
Except the BRZ will get passed by everything in the straights.Quote:
Originally Posted by miataspeedracer
One is an unreliable shitbox, the other is an FT86.
Sorry, but the Cayman is maybe the best looking Porsche, and a silly comparo. Lets tap the brakes a bit on the Subota. Cool car, great potential, but not quite a Cayman killer at this point. Kinda like saying the NC is better than the GT-R based on its autox prowess.
Autocross is a silly kids game, real men take it to the road course ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by OZMDD
At the Scion ride and drive for the FR-S the marketing guy kept beaming about how the FR-S has a lower CG than a Cayman S and a GT-R. I almost fell on the floor laughing cause...really who cares. They are both good cars in their own right, just not comparable.
I don't get that comparo either. The FTBRZ is a modern day fixed roof miata (light tossable momentum car). The Cayman is just a different animal.
Have not had issues with our 6 year old Cayman, I guess you've owned one and have personal experience about why it's a shitbox?Quote:
Originally Posted by mr brg
I don't pretend that any European car is anywhere near reliable.Quote:
Originally Posted by CosmosMpower
Define reliable? Not maintained and still moves under its own power?
Are we only talking newer euro cars or do older ones count?
Gross generalizations are typically... wrong.
That said, I think *all* newer cars have issues... even the typical "reliable" brands.
Looks like subayota may actually be working on that issue -> http://www.autoblog.com/2012/10/22/s...for-brz-turbo/Quote:
Originally Posted by CosmosMpower
+1 damn technolgy making everything so complicatedQuote:
Originally Posted by goofygrin
All European cars since the dawn of time have suffered severe electrical issues. European car owners have been conditioned to think that taking the car in for service to get check-engine-lights turned off and electronics replaced is "normal", but it's not.Quote:
Originally Posted by goofygrin
You don't have to do this with Toyota or Honda products.
It took efford, but even at 150whp I was able to run-down a GT3RS among others CW on the 1.7 last month.Quote:
Originally Posted by CosmosMpower
I chased down and blew past on the straight a Ferrari Scuderia driven by a "professional" driver with <200whp on all season tires on the 1.3 last month in instructor group.Quote:
Originally Posted by mr brg
He was probably just letting you by since he didn't want a $3,000 Miata crashing into his car that costs 50X as much. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by mr brg
Don't forget the 4 bent rods and not even on AST!Quote:
Originally Posted by slowchildmiata
Good because I didn't want to be behind it when the car broke down.Quote:
Originally Posted by CosmosMpower
I see old Porsches dumping their coolant on track all the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by mr brg
LOL!Quote:
Originally Posted by slowchildmiata
I lol'd.Quote:
Originally Posted by slowchildmiata
What kind of laptimes were you running? Anyone can run down a P-car with a bad driver.Quote:
Originally Posted by mr brg
How did chasing the M3 work for you?Quote:
Originally Posted by mr brg
So well that I quit and went to TTC, lol. If I can score a set of SM6 it will be pretty interesting to see if I can keep up with Foss. 205 R6 take 3 less points that 225 NT-01s. I'm throwing away points with the front bumper, but pretty close to the class if I can get a TTC or TTD** base class. Unfortunately Greg told me that he would not "play the how much power game" and to pick my power level so I might be back in TTB at 150whp.Quote:
Originally Posted by ken o
That was kind of my point. No matter what times I've run with the 150whp set-up, I'm sure it's not good enough and I shouldn't be out there alone, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Miatamoto
I might buy the National champ TTB S2000 that can run TTC too.Quote:
Originally Posted by mr brg
Bring it, virgin.Quote:
Originally Posted by ken o