I know there are a few STS drivers here. Jimmy has AST's, Steve E. has FCM's, and nealb has Koni Sports.
What do you like/dislike about your current setup? What spring rates are you running? How does it ride/drive on the street?
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I know there are a few STS drivers here. Jimmy has AST's, Steve E. has FCM's, and nealb has Koni Sports.
What do you like/dislike about your current setup? What spring rates are you running? How does it ride/drive on the street?
Aren't two of the cars you have listed towed to events on trailers?
Trying to be constructive. When I was watching at SCCA #9, I was wondering why your car did not look as fast. My first thought was the diff.
Were you having traction issues? The car just did not have the forward speed as compared to the other cars you are referencing. Do they have engine tunes / mods that you don't? Same tires?
Can't vouch for the STS setup, but I have AST 5100s on my daily driven S2000. Spring rates are relatively mild (600 F/500 R), about 2.5X OEM rates. Car is comfortable enough that I've daily driven it with these rate for over two years, including several ~500 mile road trips.
My 5100s do not have the double-digressive pistons on the newer 4150s and they aren't Cadillac plush, but it rides well enough that I've never felt the need to upgrade them. After 15k miles they are probably due for a rebuild, and I'll probably have them converted to DDP sometime early next year.
I've used a number of different aftermarket shocks over the years, and the ASTs have been my favorite, hands down. Well built, excellent customer service, reliable and a good compromise between street comfort and track performance.
Fixed!Quote:
Originally Posted by general default
Yes....but they still have to be driven on to the trailer at some point!Quote:
Originally Posted by POS Racing
I was having traction issues....part of the problem was/is the driver and my low-budget suspension build. I'll lay some blame on a blown rear shock...was like that when I got there that morning. Since I have the 1.8Quote:
Originally Posted by general default
engine, I have to run an open diff. in STS.
Thanks, good to know! That's the kind of setup I'm looking for...one the wife can drive and I don't get yelled at when she gets home! ::Bop::Quote:
Originally Posted by altiain
I resemble that remark!Quote:
Originally Posted by OZMDD
I love my ASTs. That is not to say they are better or worse than others, but I find the ride very acceptable for 700/450 spring rates. It ain't a Caddy, but on long trips to out of town events, the ride quality is not a problem.
If you want to be competitive in STS, then you need stiff springs. You need good dampers if you want to properly control those stiff springs. Good dampers ain't cheap.
If I were you, I would call Hanchey Vehicle Technologies.
Everything I've read about the AST's has been positive...just have to pry the wallet wayyyyyyyyyy open for a set!
Can someone explain what the XIDA Club Sports are? Are they an AST package/build only sold by 949?
725/400 FCM doubles. Not bad on the street. 88 Durometer motor mounts are another thing. Buzz you to death. FCMs are better than the revalved Tiens i had with similar rates. If i did it again i would go ast.
I believe the Xidas are AST's built to Emilio's specs, kind of like FM's Afcos or TDR's Yellowspeeds.
Just in time for you, sammm!
http://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?t=517669
Not a bad deal for some SAs.Quote:
Originally Posted by wrx74
Was reading about those on the pointy board...big pissing contest going on between brands. So MCS are the guys who left Moton after AST bought them out, correct?Quote:
Originally Posted by wrx74
Yep, that's right. KB runs them on his NC, and Whitener won both his jackets on them too.
Not sure if they are doing anything for NA's yet, but KenO really likes his HVT's.
Neal has Andy's old shocks for sale.
http://www.sccaforums.com/forums/aft/444818
The 28 series are a big step up from the sports.
^I saw those and talked to Neal about them last weekend...thanks Robert.
He tell you to move along cheapskate?? ;-)Quote:
Originally Posted by sammm
Everything I've read/heard about 28's is that they are poor for the street, and they will need frequent rebuilds if you do street them.
Check the pointy board thread on sts state of art. Klippel and others run different rates than the 1.6 crowd to make the open diff work better.
I called HVT and told them I was interested in AST's for autocross. He immediately recommended I call 949 Racing.Quote:
Originally Posted by jrj512
Just got off the phone with 949....Emilio recommended a 750f/400r spring set up. Next group will be ready for shipment on 12/2/13.
I've run my 2812s on the street for 20k+ miles before I rebuilt them. They are GREAT on the street. But I did have them originally built with the standard kits, not the fragile low-drag kits.Quote:
Originally Posted by OZMDD
I'm almost finished with a new aluminum bodied Bilstein shock for the NA/NB Miata. It's a non-adjustable that I'm making in two versions. A street shock that won't fall on it's face on the track with 600/350 springs and a competition shock with stiffer springs.
World's shortest Bilstein!http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/11/15/qane7una.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by sammm
I'm running a non adjustable AST with the same spring rates as JJ. I daily drive on that setup for quite a while and have no problems driving to and from the track even with a race bucket. The ride is much better with the stock seat.
I've got no complaints for autocross or track performance but I'm not that picky. It's a good shock. If you're looking for an AST setup I'd talk to Vorshlag. I was hoping to run a set of Modernbeat's Bilsteins but they weren't ready in the time I was looking to buy.
The other option is to get your current bilsteins rebuilt and custom valved for higher spring rates. That's a pretty inexpensive option. I'm sure Vorshlag or HVT could do that.
Either way I like to keep my business local. Great service and quick turnaround. Good conversation with local racers when you go to see them.
I agree. I've had great service from Vorshlag and AST-USA.Quote:
Originally Posted by Miatamoto
Impressive!Quote:
Originally Posted by sammm
I thought about that route too....cost is around $100 each to re-valve (at Bilstein). I'd be in for $600 total, and can get adjustable Koni Races/Sports for around $800.Quote:
Originally Posted by Miatamoto
Race valved Koni sports are pretty harsh on the street. For a dual purpose car I would spend the money for some nice monotube shocks. The AST’s I have now ride much better than the Koni’s I had on the S2000 before. They also handle a bumpy autocross site much better. Koni sports + very high spring rates, are going to beat you up pretty bad on the street.
^Thanks Robert...good to know for sure. I definitely want something comfy on the street as well.
I can't agree with this enough. We are lucky to have HVT, AST-USA, and Vorshlag local to us. Take advantage of this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Miatamoto
I've not needed much in the way of support with my ASTs, but having local support has been priceless when I did need it. Case in point - an adjuster stuck on one of my 5100s. I noticed it at 8 PM one evening. Emailed Hanchey, he said to bring it in the following morning. So I pulled it off the car, arrived at AST-USA around 9 AM, and was on my way home with a completely rebuilt shock by 10:30 AM. Car was back on the road before lunchtime was over.
I'll second this as well. Koni Sports aren't bad shocks for the price, but no matter how much you spend on them they will never perform as well as a monotube shock. The ASTs really shine on a bumpy surface like Mineral Wells or Eagles Canyon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Robert
I have 2 almost new rear yellow konis or 2 used revalved rear konis
Did you get that fish smell out of them yet?Quote:
Originally Posted by lostlorin
The real shop to take advantage of is MaxcySpeed. This is Stewart Maxcy's new shop. FWIW, Stewart did much of the valving development in the US versions of the ASTs and the AST 4150, all the development of the XIDA, was the go-to guy for the Grand-Am teams and is who I asked to develop the valving of the aluminum Bilsteins Vorshlag will be selling.Quote:
Originally Posted by altiain
http://www.maxcyspeedco.com/
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Maxcy...79375758897141
I don"t know. Never sniffed a shock.Quote:
Originally Posted by sammm
You haven't lived!Quote:
Originally Posted by lostlorin
That's a no.Quote:
Originally Posted by lostlorin
I drove JRJ's ASTs and they were nice. I also like the way my bilstein setup drove. Bang for the buck they were the best setup I've run. For under a grand I have custom valved shocks, coilovers, bump stops and extended travel top hats.
IF I had tons of money to spend I'd get some XIDAs. The club sports are great, but it's nice to have the double adjustable capability. So then you're looking at $4300 for the regular XIDA setup. NOW...MCS has entered the game and has a setup for the 90-05 miatas that may be great. May need some tweaking. Adrenaline racing is the exclusive dealer on them for now.
The club sports can be had with the fancy spherical bearing top hats for $2600 so that may still be a sweet bang for the buck setup.
FWIW it still comes down to driver. My el cheapo setup had no problem hanging with the big dollar setups. Kraig has koni sports on his car and it was pretty easy to drive when I tried it in Blytheville. Figure out what you're willing to spend and we go from there :)
What is the advantage of the spherical bearing top hats?
Low friction, but no flex from a plastic/rubber bushing.
Wags posted this on faceplant. Since the luddite does not facebook here it is:
To all my friends looking for an affordable street setup for your miata, this could be the setup for you.
These are prototype SuperMiata Tecna coilovers. We are developing these pretty much from scratch. Still in R&D phase right now. We hope to have these shipping by early 2014. These non-damping adjustable, low pressure gas, twin tube dampers feature powdercoated springs, anodized cnc aluminum collars and stainless steel bodies (not chrome). The goal is to provide the best ride quality possible for a lowered Miata possible for under $750 complete as pictured with factory NB mounts, ready to bolt in. Minimum ride height will just about allow control arms to run out of stroke for maximum rough road bottoming resistance. As a nice side effect of the extreme bump travel available and damping control, they will handle far better than any OTS OEM replacement shock. These are not race shocks or anything like Xidas. The prototype we're testing now have been track tested for durabilty and basic handling balance with excellent results. Good ride over big hits. We're still tweaking NVH over small bumps and coarse pavement.
^Wags told me AST had some budget friendly, non-adjustables in the works. ::Rasp::
PS
You say luddite, I say non-sheep.