Is there a law saying if you use an after market air filter, the brand of filter has to be one on the "list"? The place close to my house won't past my Rx7 w/o a K&N! ::Rant::
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Is there a law saying if you use an after market air filter, the brand of filter has to be one on the "list"? The place close to my house won't past my Rx7 w/o a K&N! ::Rant::
Don't see anything that would imply that here. :confused:
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Originally Posted by gabkwong
::BS::
Sounds like the inspector thinks he's living in Cali...
You still using the original air box?? Or is it an aftermarket intake??
I'd go somewhere else.
Cold air intake w/o OEM airbox.
Throw the OEM box back in for a day and take it in? Otherwise you dont have to have a brand name filter as far as I know.
Tell the inspector to go take a dive off the nearest tall building... and then go find another shop.
If you already paid go back with what they want to see and get this PITA behind ya. If ya didn't pay take it somewhere else!Quote:
Originally Posted by gabkwong
Inspector on a power trip... Same sorta dumba$$ I had to deal with who said the FACTORY tint on the top of my truck's windshield was illegal.
Suck it up and take it to a different shop, or go back to that one on that guy's day off. "Never argue with an idiot. They'll only bring you down to their level and beat you with experiance."
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Originally Posted by POS Racing
This has been a rule since the early 80's. I had the same problem on my 80 Dodge Challenger with a Weber Carburator and K&N type filter. The original reason was for the heat riser tube to warm up the air for better combustion on cold starts.Quote:
Originally Posted by gabkwong
I don't think modern cars have heat riser tubes. :confused: My '74 Capri had one which is why I'd install the original air box at inspection time then switch back to my open air filter the rest of the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Radio-Active
Still, plenty of blokes driving around with aftermarket air intakes. (like me) who have never had trouble passing inspection.
Isn't there something about a CARB sticker or something like that that you need to have on aftermarket accessories???
No doubt Gab took his car to the wrong place! :(
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Originally Posted by POS Racing
CARB = California Air Resources Board :rolleyes:
Unless he moved to the land of Fruits and Nuts he doesn't need a CARB sticker.
It was a question Sparky...Quote:
Originally Posted by black roadster
Thought some states also required certification, and would accept a CARB sticker for compliance.
http://www.knfilters.com/streetlegal.htm
Some areas of Colorado do, so you've got a point there ;) But Texas isn't one of the states that requires it, yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by POS Racing
I still say go to a different shop... and while you pass the old shop give the guy the ol' Bronx Hello!
Ya always know when you pissed off POS ::Oscar:: when he calls ya Sparky. ::Hyper::Quote:
Originally Posted by POS Racing
Annoyed maybe... not pissed. He reserves the more colorful language for pissed.Quote:
Originally Posted by black roadster
I really do not think, none of you think so ether, that there is a law the specify a certain (legal) brand of cold air intake air filter. I am not aware K&N is CARB legal ether!? I will take it to another shop.
I don't think his issue is with the 'brand' of airfilter... If you were just changing the filter itself in teh same airbox they cannot restrict you to specific brands.Quote:
Originally Posted by gabkwong
HOWEVER, since the cold air intake tube setup is 'technically' related to the emissions controls, they (in some states) require that 'certification' AKA CARB stickers, or the approved list or whatnot...
however.. you're still just running into an inspector on a power trip. that's teh basis of this issue ;)`
What if you take a picture of a Mazda MP3 car that had a cold air pipe/filter stock. There are a few cars that come with things that look like that.
But yes the guy is being a jerk. I am sure they are holding your money until you come back with it corrected.
The other option is to go up the chain of command and ask for explanation or documents as to why it is being denied. If it is to much hassle for them then maybe they will let it slide. It is called customer service.
I saw a similar thread over on the pointy board, where the following info was dug up from this TxDPS page:
So, it looks like the inspector can fail you for having the wrong brand of aftermarket filter. Even more worrisome is that Texas DPS is pointing to CARB. :rolleyes:Quote:
Aftermarket Air Intake Systems (AIS) and Thermostatic Air Cleaners (TAC)
1996 and newer vehicles do not have a Thermostatic Air Cleaner (TAC) system. The TAC system went away on 1996 & newer vehicles, because these vehicles are equipped with OBDII (On-Board Diagnostics – Second Generation) computer systems and these vehicles have more sophisticated fuel injection systems and emissions control systems, so there’s no need for a TAC system. There are several different brands of aftermarket open-type air filter/intake systems by K&N, Airaid, AEM, etc, so these are OK to install on any vehicle that did not come factory equipped with a TAC system and you will pass the visual emissions component inspection.
NOTE: If the air intake system reads "For Racing Purposes Only" or "For Off Road Use Only" then it is not intended for use on public roadways and is not street legal. If the air intake system is CARB approved and 50-state legal, then it is street legal in all 50 states.
1995 and older vehicles that are equipped with a TAC system are required to have all the components in place in order to pass the visual emissions component inspection, which is part of the annual safety inspection. The TAC system consists of the enclosed air cleaner/filter assembly and a heat shroud at the exhaust manifold and then there is also a heat duct hose that connects from the heat shroud to the air cleaner assembly. Also, some of the TAC systems had a fresh air duct hose that attached from the front or side of the air cleaner assembly to either the front or side of the vehicle. The TAC system is a closed-type air cleaner/filter assembly and it was designed to reduce Hydrocarbon (HC) and Carbon Monoxide (CO) emissions during cold engine operation, so if your vehicle came equipped with a TAC system and if it was removed and replaced with an open-type design air filter/intake assembly, the vehicle will fail the visual emissions component inspection.
Only ifQuote:
Originally Posted by Titus
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NOTE: If the air intake system reads "For Racing Purposes Only" or "For Off Road Use Only" then it is not intended for use on public roadways and is not street legal.
So the big question is did the 90-95 Miata come with a TAC System? If so, this REALLY Sucks as I don't have any of my original airbox stuff.
Also, what do the FI guys do?
Well, Gary only provides K&N filters with his intakes, so that's not a problem. I believe it is the same with FM. For those with stock JRSC, the kit as a whole is CARB certified, so that should give the filter a pass as part of the package.Quote:
Originally Posted by black roadster
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Originally Posted by Titus
Am I missing something here?
Also, did can anyone answer my question, did the 90-95 Miata come with a TAC System?Quote:
There are several different brands of aftermarket open-type air filter/intake systems by K&N, Airaid, AEM, etc, so these are OK to install on any vehicle that did not come factory equipped with a TAC system and you will pass the visual emissions component inspection.
Not a lot of us driving around in Antique Miatas. ::Bleh::Quote:
Originally Posted by black roadster
You may want to review this document....
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If the TAC system has been removed and replaced with an aftermarket open-type air filter/intake system, the system will require to be C.A.R.B (California Air Resources Board) approved. C.A.R.B. approved systems are issued an E.O. (Executive Order)
No. and this information is printed on a label, which must be attached in a readily visible
location under the vehicle’s hood.
For what it's worth....Both my cars have Cold Air Intakes
The Miata has an AEM.....
The Honda has one with no markings what so ever.....
Neither have ever had a problem at the Inspection Station ::BaHump::
So don't fret.....just come on over here to Arlington and I'll show you where to take it.....
The TAC description says "there is also a heat duct hose that connects from the heat shroud to the air cleaner assembly". I don't believe any Miatas have this.Quote:
Originally Posted by black roadster