Turbo Vs. Supercharger

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05-07-2007, 07:59 PM
NC Eunos

Turbo Vs. Supercharger

Allrite guys i have sort of a decision to make and that is to use a forced induction on my NC after the warrenty goes up.

im trying to decide on either a turbo or a supercharger
on one hand i can with a small turbo with low RPM spool which i think may may do well on my powerband but i could just be blowing hot air and not kno what im talking about. :p

but then on the other hand i can go with the supercharger that runs off of my engine instead of my exhaust gas. the problem is that i know nothing about the supercharger but the basics when i've grown up on the turbo .
the other thing is that the only supercharger i found in a kit is from jackson racing which from what i heard from some a good kit, and another handful says thats its just a waste of money for what you get

1. Turbo or supercharger?
2. How much PSI should i run?

keep in mind that i love the feel of the car and great handling, the car is gunna be used for more circuit and drift runs than straight-a-ways,and the only reason for me to have forced induction is to smoke all those cocky camaros,and mustangs with their music blaring to the point of premature defness off the line and from a 40 roll. But dont get me wrong i love all cars just like jesus loves everyone, i just hate it when muscle-heads overlook smaller engines.
any input would be very helpful
Thanks
05-07-2007, 08:49 PM
MiataMike

I wasn't even aware that a sc/turbo kit has even been released yet for the NC's. I heard that the company Blitz from Japan was working on a turbo setup for the NC but wasn't yet released. If your trying to drift and do rolling drag races you would probably be better off with a turbo.
05-07-2007, 09:16 PM
NC Eunos

see thats what i was thinking too untill one of my friends suggested me on looking in on a SC cuz of the no lag
but also i was thinking that if i go turbo on a small trim ill get use to it and want more power which will lead me to a bigger trim and boost therefore more lag

And like i said before im kinda new at the SC thing but i know i can run the same number of psi as the turbo but with no lag and thats where my dilema is at. and im the type of person that will do things rite the first time around rather than cheap out here and there and having it unsatisfactory to me later kno what i mean...?:confused:

but whatever input like i said would be great.
05-07-2007, 10:04 PM
jeff_man

the hydra turbo ecu from flyin miata has anti lag, so in anti lag mode it dumps fuel into your motor when you let off the gas giving a very cool exhaust blow torch and keeping the turbo spinning more then with out it. told it works grate on the track and I'm planning to have the FMII kit by years end.
05-07-2007, 10:17 PM
NC Eunos

but wouldnt the car be running really rich and bogg out a lot from the lack of air??:confused:
05-07-2007, 10:31 PM
jeff_man

Quote:

Originally Posted by NC Eunos

but wouldnt the car be running really rich and bogg out a lot from the lack of air??:confused:

I'm not a rocket scientist, all i know is it works =P
05-07-2007, 11:00 PM
NC Eunos

:D I guess thats all rite cuz some times when looking at this type of stuff and wondering how it works with air/fuel ratio and other what what-nots makes my head split like a chord of firewood:( :confused: hahahaha
05-08-2007, 07:20 AM
MiataMike

I'll let you know how it works after I install my Hydra :-D (one of these days)
05-08-2007, 08:08 AM
altiain

Erm… sounds to me like you might be getting a bit ahead of yourself.

First off, how long until your warranty expires? Days? Weeks? Years? (I’m guessing the latter.)
Second, there currently aren’t any commercially available forced induction kits available for the NC that I’m aware of. So unless you’ve got more than a little engineering talent and a lot of free time, you might want to wait and see what becomes available for the car.
Third, you say you want to do it right the first time. “Doing it right” involves knowing what you’re doing, instead of blindly following free advice you get from a bunch of strangers on the internet. I would highly encourage you to do a LOT of research on forced induction systems before you spend one nickel on go fast parts. An educated consumer is a smart consumer, whether you’re buying a TV or a turbo kit.
05-08-2007, 08:31 AM
johnwag

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Originally Posted by altiain

Erm… sounds to me like you might be getting a bit ahead of yourself.

First off, how long until your warranty expires? Days? Weeks? Years? (I’m guessing the latter.)
Second, there currently aren’t any commercially available forced induction kits available for the NC that I’m aware of. So unless you’ve got more than a little engineering talent and a lot of free time, you might want to wait and see what becomes available for the car.
Third, you say you want to do it right the first time. “Doing it right” involves knowing what you’re doing, instead of blindly following free advice you get from a bunch of strangers on the internet. I would highly encourage you to do a LOT of research on forced induction systems before you spend one nickel on go fast parts. An educated consumer is a smart consumer, whether you’re buying a TV or a turbo kit.

Good points Iain. Just so you know here is an NC supercharger: https://2693453429.monstercommercesi...WPROD&ProdID=2
05-08-2007, 08:36 AM
CosmosMpower

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnwag

Good points Iain. Just so you know here is an NC supercharger: https://2693453429.monstercommercesi...WPROD&ProdID=2

180-200 whp is pretty sorry
05-08-2007, 11:18 AM
MadMerv

Perhaps TDR might want to "borrow" an NC for awhile...........
05-08-2007, 11:29 AM
Miatamoto

Quote:

Originally Posted by CosmosMpower

180-200 whp is pretty sorry

Tell that to the Miata that beat you at the autocross on Sat. I think he had around 200 whp. ;) ::Clown::
05-08-2007, 11:30 AM
johnwag

Quote:

Originally Posted by CosmosMpower

180-200 whp is pretty sorry

That's about 50-60 whp more than stock. Those #'s aren't that bad.
05-08-2007, 01:59 PM
Radio-Active

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnwag

That's about 50-60 whp more than stock. Those #'s aren't that bad.

Per the Mazda brochere, the NC is supposed to have 170 Bhp from the factory. That being the case, I would say that 10-30 horses ain't that much. NOS juice might be a better option.::Drive2:: or maybe not;)

Yeah I know that the numbers are usually inflated from the manufactureres.
05-08-2007, 02:07 PM
johnwag

Quote:

Originally Posted by Radio-Active

Per the Mazda brochere, the NC is supposed to have 170 Bhp from the factory. That being the case, I would say that 10-30 horses ain't that much. NOS juice might be a better option.::Drive2:: or maybe not;)

Yeah I know that the numbers are usually inflated from the manufactureres.

Let's say that the 170BHP that you stated, is 150WHP. 200WHP would be a 50whp increase. For the price of mazdaspeed performance parts for an NC, that a good increase. Not as good as bolt ons for an MSM, but not bad.
05-08-2007, 04:05 PM
ray_sir_6

anti-lag

Quote:

Originally Posted by NC Eunos

but wouldnt the car be running really rich and bogg out a lot from the lack of air??:confused:

Anti-lag works by pulling timing and dumping fuel. Therefore raw fuel gets sent out the exhaust and ignites on the turbo turbine, causing it to spin and continue making boost. Not good for long term use, but great for people who can rebuild the turbo every weekend.
05-08-2007, 04:08 PM
ray_sir_6

Quote:

Originally Posted by Radio-Active

Per the Mazda brochere, the NC is supposed to have 170 Bhp from the factory. That being the case, I would say that 10-30 horses ain't that much. NOS juice might be a better option.::Drive2:: or maybe not;)

Yeah I know that the numbers are usually inflated from the manufactureres.

That makes it near 140-145whp, which also changes ALOT cause the new rule allows for a certain temp/humidity setting that they program in to make peak power for the test.
05-08-2007, 05:51 PM
SirHustlerEsq

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeff_man

the hydra turbo ecu from flyin miata has anti lag, so in anti lag mode it dumps fuel into your motor when you let off the gas giving a very cool exhaust blow torch and keeping the turbo spinning more then with out it. told it works grate on the track and I'm planning to have the FMII kit by years end.

MS does anti-lag, and launch control easily. It can also traction control too.
05-08-2007, 05:52 PM
SirHustlerEsq

Quote:

Originally Posted by MadMerv

Perhaps TDR might want to "borrow" an NC for awhile...........

my NC owning roommate has to sleep sometime.
05-08-2007, 08:01 PM
boisking

Quote:

Originally Posted by NC Eunos

Allrite guys i have sort of a decision to make and that is to use a forced induction on my NC after the warrenty goes up.

1. Turbo or supercharger?
2. How much PSI should i run?

3. keep in mind that i love the feel of the car and great handling, the car is gunna be used for more circuit and drift runs than straight-a-ways,.....

4......and the only reason for me to have forced induction is to smoke all those cocky camaros,and mustangs with their music blaring to the point of premature defness off the line and from a 40 roll. But dont get me wrong i love all cars just like jesus loves everyone,

5...i just hate it when muscle-heads overlook smaller engines.
Thanks

1. Both. twincharging is the only route to go. It gives you all the good attributes of both a supercharger and a turbo. If you are lucky, you'll get all the bad attributes, too! That car would be pretty hot.

2. I'm thinking 40-50. Hey, if a big rig can do it, you can. Big rigs are slow, however, so maybe we should shoot even higher than that. Try for 75-85psi.

3. Seriously, spend your money on springs and shocks. Ever seen a 1986 corolla drift? They are low-power vehicles.

4. Buy a bike. Then you can put those mustang and f-body guys in their place...and the Germans and Italians.

5. 600cc is a small engine in my book.
05-08-2007, 08:12 PM
jeff_man

Quote:

Originally Posted by boisking

1. Both. twincharging is the only route to go. It gives you all the good attributes of both a supercharger and a turbo. If you are lucky, you'll get all the bad attributes, too! That car would be pretty hot.

2. I'm thinking 40-50. Hey, if a big rig can do it, you can. Big rigs are slow, however, so maybe we should shoot even higher than that. Try for 75-85psi.

3. Seriously, spend your money on springs and shocks. Ever seen a 1986 corolla drift? They are low-power vehicles.

4. Buy a bike. Then you can put those mustang and f-body guys in their place...and the Germans and Italians.

5. 600cc is a small engine in my book.

LAWL bo to the rescue
05-08-2007, 10:02 PM
SirHustlerEsq

enzo swap > *
05-08-2007, 10:08 PM
NC Eunos

I still a newb at some of this stuff and a lot of these post are very helpful .... for the most part -_- I mean come on 75 to 85 PSI?

first off if i ever manage to ever get that thing to spool im pretty sure my engine will blow once it hits.

And second if my engine isnt in pieces by then my stock tires would churn all day to the wire.

But its all rite my friends and I say that kinda stuff all the time and i really don't mind the absurdness of the humor.:D
06-06-2007, 08:10 AM
chuckerants

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Originally Posted by johnwag

Good points Iain. Just so you know here is an NC supercharger: https://2693453429.monstercommercesi...WPROD&ProdID=2

In case you guys didn't here the news, SOT no longer sells to the public. They are now in bed with FM.

As for that particular supercharger by SOT, well let's just say that SOT and BRP previously has not had a very good record of product development.

If you have an NC, you have a while to go yet before a vendor of any real reputation has a FI for you.
06-06-2007, 05:15 PM
SirHustlerEsq

Quote:

Originally Posted by chuckerants

In case you guys didn't here the news, SOT no longer sells to the public. They are now in bed with FM.

As for that particular supercharger by SOT, well let's just say that SOT and BRP previously has not had a very good record of product development.

If you have an NC, you have a while to go yet before a vendor of any real reputation has a FI for you.

Bell is working on FI for the NC too.
06-06-2007, 05:58 PM
chuckerants

Quote:

Originally Posted by mr brg

Bell is working on FI for the NC too.

IIRC, they gave up on a SC for the NC citing cost. So in essence, they are starting over from square 1.

Seriously, I wouldn't count ANYONE as being anywhere close to having a workable NC FI yet.
06-06-2007, 06:58 PM
SirHustlerEsq

Quote:

Originally Posted by chuckerants

IIRC, they gave up on a SC for the NC citing cost. So in essence, they are starting over from square 1.

Seriously, I wouldn't count ANYONE as being anywhere close to having a workable NC FI yet.

yes

I never suggested they did.
06-07-2007, 04:23 PM
MX-5EE

Now, if you are smart and bold, you can always attempt to engineer your own FI kit.
06-18-2007, 03:43 AM
Mouglie

Quote:

Originally Posted by MiataMike

I wasn't even aware that a sc/turbo kit has even been released yet for the NC's. I heard that the company Blitz from Japan was working on a turbo setup for the NC but wasn't yet released. If your trying to drift and do rolling drag races you would probably be better off with a turbo.

its called a diy kit, turbocharge all the way...
come to me if you need some info i'll show you some
tricks for your bad ass ride, lol...

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