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I was day dreaming on ET yesterday, and I came across a thread for the LA to Santa Barbra Exotics Car run. In the info, it clearly states "Sorry, but exotics only". It then lists the cars that have signed up... 2 Ferraris, 2 Lambos, 2 Lotus, and 2 Porsche. This really has stuck in my head, today, as because with the exception of the Carrera GT, I have NEVER thought of a Porsche as exotic. Am I alone here? Are everyday Porsches exotic?
I'm with you. Exotic, no. Expensive, yes.
I could almost see it as an "affordable exotic". I'd think of the NSX as a reliable exotic.
You might be slanted due to the area you are in. Tech/Financial areas, Porsches are common. I remember family coming to visit in Austin, and remarking at all the high end cars on the highway everyday. They were from Ft Worth. Here in NC, a GT3 or baby Aston is remarkable because they aren't as commonly seen as in DFW, especially downtown Dallas.
However, the Lotus dealer here does very well and Elise/Exiges are seen daily. I think certain Porsches are exotic (GT3, etc) , Im not so sure about the common Lotus' (Loti) that are available though. That doesn't mean I don't drool on them.
I agree, I could see a modern Porsche being an exotic as long at it is not below a 911 GT. The run of the mill Boxters are just that; run of the mill "every man's" Porsche.Quote:
Originally Posted by black roadster
I thought more about this on my way home. Growing up, I lived in a pretty affluent gated community in Northern California. Seeing expensive cars was status quo. I guess what I always considered exotic were the cars you only saw out on the weekend. The most of the guys that owned a Ferrari wouldn't dream of driving it to work every day... That was what their 911 was for. Yes, some will drive their Ferrari to work, and a few more will use their Elise as a DD, but for most, these are weekend cars. Porsche owners don't think twice about using it as a DD. I counted 4 911s on 35 in traffic just this afternoon.
AutoWeek had an article about Porsche not going to the Detroit auto show.
"From that standpoint the move makes sense: Porsche says it sold only 290 cars in Michigan last year, compared with 8,827 in California, 4,177 in Florida and 2,172 in New York."
I would consider "Exotic" to be something high end, rare, and expensive. NSX? Yes, rare, high end, though not REALLY expensive. Average Porsche 911? Nah.
Ferrari Enzo? Obviously. Most Ferraris? Yes. Actually, all of them. All Lambos.
Porsche... Carrera GT, 959, that type I would consider exotic.
Shelby GR1? Exotic.
I'd almost call it a common-sense thing if people weren't so retarded.
Saving that one :clap:Quote:
Originally Posted by MadMonkey
The funny part is he is talking about himself... :DQuote:
Originally Posted by 4W4K3
I've never thought of Porsches or the NSX as exotics, because they're usable cars. I always thought you had to make some sort of sacrifice (other than monetary) to drive an exotic. For instance, in the olden days, Ferraris 1) were ergonomically effed up - Google "Italian Driving Position," 2) overheated and fouled their plugs in traffic, 3) required some sort of black ritual to make them start and run properly, 4) were VERY hard to obtain through proper channels (hell, it was a big deal when Road & Track got their hands on one to test), and 5) could not be driven on a daily basis (see 1-4).
Now, even though it's expensive and rare, even a Ferrari isn't as "exotic" as it used to be. So piss on those "LA Exotics" guys... ;)
Based on that description, you just described every British and Italian vintage roadster. Only exception might be #4.Quote:
Originally Posted by trickyrix
BTW,
I'd guess a true exotic would be any vehicle that is hand built in limited quantities and uses the latest technology and materials for a vehicle built primarily for performance.
Well, true dat...Quote:
Originally Posted by black roadster
Maybe I should've said it has to be all those things, and obscenely fast, and featured in Whitesnake videos or something...
I guess there was just more mystique surrounding exotics back in the 80s (or before that). I still remember the first time I saw a Testarossa on the tollway, for example - and I count on one hand the number of those I've seen on the road since then. But I saw 3 Ferraris cruising around town yesterday (a 599 and two F430s). Expensive? Yes. Exclusive? Sure. Will I ever get to drive another one? If I'm lucky, maybe... ;)
...and, yes, that's a pretty darn good definition... that, and mystique... mmmmmm...Quote:
Originally Posted by black roadster
Well what about exotic luxury? It's not everyday that you see a Maybach or a Bentley driving around.
This is something I'd consider exotic
Link
http://www.arbitragecars.com/cargall...0904211309.jpg
I like that a lot. I think it is a very good start. Now how does one go about finding out what cars are hand built? And how do we define "Limited Quantities"?Quote:
Originally Posted by black roadster
I think it needs to be considered high performance to get the Exotic tag. Perhaps we are talking Exotic Saloons. Many Bentleys fit, but perhaps not the RR? Maybe a Quattroporte?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nexus Flux
If you drive the piss out of it and something "unimportant" - think wiper stalk, stereo knobs, mysterious plastic bits from behind steering column - doesn't fall off, it's NOT an exotic. End of story.
Hehe... reminds me of another ET discussion:Quote:
Originally Posted by tailchaser
New Elise owner: LOTUS ISSUE- NEED DEALER HELP! Driving car home to CA after buying from dealer in NY. Got to Nebraska and a really bad squeek developed in the car.
Old Elise owner #1: That squeak comes and goes.
Old Elise owner #2: If it sounds like squirrels chewing on styrofoam and rubber, that's totally normal.
New Elise owner: The noise went away yesterday, but after 9 hours of straight driving it came back???
Old elise owner #3: I had that noise... To me it sounded like a duck on a paint shaker.
New Elise owner: Appreciate it. ::Blink::
Thumbs down on the QP, there's 2 (count 'em, two) in the parking garage here at work... And neither one can park worth a damn...Quote:
Originally Posted by Titus
Speaking of which... one of our tech guys drives a thoroughly ragged out '89 Lotus Esprit... Exotic? I think so, but it's more of soft spot on my part...Quote:
Originally Posted by tailchaser
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Originally Posted by Titus
Oh, the Esprit is very much an Exotic - with a capital E.
This guy back home bought one. Very proud of it and all (as well he should have been). We're all standing around admiring it. Mind you, NO ONE is within 5 feet of the car. One of the screws holding in one of the parking lights jumps out, bounces twice, and lands head down, threads up on the asphalt.
No words are spoken. 7 people stand around open-mouthed. Jack very calmly picks it up, pockets it, and says... "Soooo... Highest specific output 4 cylinder, ever!" You've gotta hear this thing rev!
Sound like that exotic Fiat X-1/9 I had back 8 years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by tailchaser
Three on the floor(third gear was hit or miss at best), and 3-75 air conditioning. But man the hum from that engine was beautiful(when it ran). :D
Forgot to mention that I had modified the H shifter to an h shifter. ;)
Good times... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by tailchaser
I had the pleasure (???) to drive a friend's Alfa Spider for a couple of weeks, and it sure did sound good... but the handling was squirrelly, the switchgear inside was cheap and incomprehensible, I never figured out how to get the defroster working, and it was slooow... not so exotic, but purely Eye-talian... :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Radio-Active