I've got the fever. Please discuss.
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I've got the fever. Please discuss.
http://www.geardiary.com/wp-content/...speed3side.jpg
FWD only? Meh.
I see this along the same line as the WRX. Given the choice I would go WRX.
For a daily driver FWD is liveable....gas mileage can get so so if you can't keep your foot out of it.
I would love to have one as a DD, but I would probably get a lot of tickets. I would still like an RX8. I do not drive enough for the mileage to make much of a difference.
Wouldn't something like this be more "age appropriate"??
http://www.insightcarsmodels.com/wp-...acrosse-12.jpg
I had a Gen1 for a year. It was about the only thing that came close to meeting my broad spectrum of often-conflicting requirements and fell short by one (FWD). Did everything I asked of it, from full-on red mist aggro to trundling in traffic, while returning 23.8mpg average and a best of 26mpg. An intake and dyno tune will supposedly boost MPG. I was initially worried about the motor (interweb horror stories) but learned to get over it and just enjoy the thing; after all, there are tons of CX-7s running around with them. My *only* complaint would be the gearchange: under fast shifting I would get hung up on the gates, although never got the wrong gear (at least not while downshifting). I think of it as the poor man's Cayenne: usable real-world powerband, tons of cargo space, supernatural handling for its size (and no "for FWD" caveat, dammit), and wagon stealth.
If I could mentally handle the car payment I would still have it. Every time I see another one (bonus: there aren't that many) I feel a tiny bit stupid for selling it.
I've got a 2007 Mazaspeed 3 GT and it has been a great car during the 28 months that I've had it.
As a daily driver it does everything well. It has enough power to throw you back in the seat. You can throw in 10 bags of mulch in the back with out a problem. Sits four adults comfortable. I've had no issues with the car - only oil changes, tires and front brakes in 47K miles. It handles wonderfully (especially with aftermarket rear sways - even better with camber arms). I've been down to Austin twice with the car and it is a great highway cruiser, with tons of power to make short opening passes. Down there I did a few Bonsai runs on Lime Creek Road and the MS3 was stellar (before and after the upgrades). I know its faster than my Miata ever was (when naturally aspirated) and it was just as much fun. The car was well balanced and gripped like snot. I was very impressed. In the spring I swapped out the shocks (KW Variant 3 coilovers) from redmenance's old MS3 before he sold it and I added the camber arms (a must even if you are stock). I got a good alignment with specs from the MS3 forums. These three things really raised the fun factor on this car.
While playing around in the round-abouts (aka - my skidpad) in Flower Mound I've got all the push dialed out and it corners amazing well. When I first got the car I put on a rear swaybar. That along with adding camber arms (there is no camber adjustment in the rear and it comes with too much camber from the factory) to eliminate the push. I have taken it down to the Ranch (with just rear sways) and it just flew around the track. I'll take it down again to see how it does with the newest additions and log some lap times to see how it does. I have no idea about how it would do autocrossing - so I can't help you there.
I don't understand the "meh" comments it gets here and FWD gets a bad wrap also. Some cars with FWD deserve it. But I disagree that a MS3 is "meh". I know I prefer my MS3 over my brother's STi - both in looks and driving (those STi are awful cruising on the highway with a choppy ride). I've seen videos of a guy dogging Evos and Sti's at the Streets of Willow Springs in a MS3 setup similar to mine. I've been out the "Streets" and it says a lot about what the car can do in capable hands. It also get better gas mileage in the MS3 than in my Miata (computer says just under 24mpg) and I don't keep my "foot out of it" in either car. Although the Miata is usually driven a lot harder : )
So I know my MS3 is a very capable car and it is everything I need in a "OTM" car. I'm also having a hard time getting it away from my wife who use to drive a Z3 as a daily. Granted, I still love driving my Miata as much as I can, but the MS3 still puts a grin on my face every time I turn the key on (nice exhaust note from the stock pipe). I give it a big thumbs up - others just say "meh".
The 2nd gen one is fugly on the outside.
http://fastcache.gawkerassets.com/as...azdaspeed3.jpg
And the inside. Weird disco fabrics FTL.
http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezfl...cd_gallery.jpg
The 1st gen one is so much better looking.
http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/med...ars/ms3web.jpg
I think a 1st gen would make a great daily driver. I wouldn't touch a 2nd gen with a 10 foot pole.
But it will be the only smile you've ever seen on Sammmm.Quote:
Originally Posted by altiain
^^Agree with Ian on all parts. The new ones are funky.
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/5971/mazda3lol.jpg
I'm in the market for a plane-jane 3 myself...pre retarded grin, and 5spd of course. I know 5 friends that drive them daily, and I ride in one of them at least once a week. All of the combined great reviews have gotten me wanting one even though everyone I know drives one...If that helps. I hear the Mazdaspeed 3s are awesome cars, I just don't want to drop that kind of cash right now.
Yeah the first generation is the better choice looks wise for sure.
Why did they ruin the look of the car with that front end goofy grin?
I agree on the fugly 2nd gen smiley face...they (Mazda) need to lose that trademark. Supposedly the 2nd gen suspension has been upgraded from the first. That's what I've read, but have no real world experience to back it up.
Thanks for the comments guys. Good to hear from those of you have owned/driven one!
We really loved the wife's 3i. Having more power of the MS3 could only be better.
(Damn tough little cars, too. Took a licking and the wife is still ticking. FTW)
One of the Honduh civic ricer kids at work recently traded up to one identical to the first post. Knowing me to be a Mazda fan, he had to show me it. It's awesome (he let me drive it for a short jaunt). I've also been on the track with one at TWS. They are very capable and quick there as well. I'd hit it.
Just needs a set of Towmater teef stuck in the grill to pass muster in Oklahoma though.
As a pure daily driver I would say that the MkV & VI GTI is the best FWD hatch option. The interior is far more upscale then the speed3.
Fixed that for you. ::Banana::Quote:
Originally Posted by 762
I drove one for a couple weeks and loved it. Would've bought that instead of the Yaris had the price been right. I don't hate the gen 2 styling nearly as much if you get the correct color, or color-match the grin.
In black and dark greys, it is looks great.
http://www.aetherfury.com/speed3/01.jpg
Mazda has officially released pricing on the 2012 Mazda3 - http://www.autoblog.com/2011/10/05/2...with-skyactiv/
I've had mine for just over 2 years, a late '08, used with less than 20k for less than $20k. I play String Bass and needed a hatchback. In my research, it was the quickest hatch for the $. Less cost and better mileage than an STI or EVO, quicker than a GTI. It will haul 4 adults comfortably or a lot of stuff with the back seats down. Maintenance has been oil changes, tires ($$), and front brake pads ($$$ at the dealer, $ if you do it yourself). It's comfortable on the highway, I was daily driving the SRT (121 tollway) everyday between Flower Mound and Allen.
The upside, Its fun to drive, never lacking in power or agility.
The downside, It has way more power than you need on the street, i.e. a ticket magnet.
My Grey '08 (no hood scoop) doesn't attract much attention, so no tickets so far. I'd avoid a '10+ (hood scoop) in Red.
Do drive one before you decide!
New one is fugly, old one is decent but get ready for torque steer.
Friend at work has the 4-door sedan version (Gen 2), and I'm quite impressed with that car overall. I'm a die-hard Honda fanboy, but I would walk right past the Civic and into the Mazda 3. I would assume the MS3 just adds to the fun factor.
Possible option:
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Black - Strike 1Quote:
Originally Posted by OZMDD
Cuyahoga Falls, OH = salted roads during winter - Strike 2
Recommended by OZMDD - Yer Out!!!
(It does look like a good deal, but I won't own another black vehicle)
+1, my M3 was black, never again. Well I bought my 93LE Miata after that which was black but I rarely washed it or cared what it looked like ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by sammm
Might suggest the Mazdaspeed 6 also. AWD (sort of) instead of FWD, more grown up looks and very fun to drive. The Mazda dealer loaned me one for a few hours when they were detailing my RX-8 during the predelivery process.
Ask JFo about the MS6...
Samm- point taken.
If I can only have one car, MS3 would be one of the top choices for me.
I test drove one before I bought my Kizashi GTS. The MS3 handles and rides well, but I feel it has a bit too much power for the front wheels even with the diff. Compares to the GTI, you give up interior quality and refinement for power and handling. Since I have the miata, I much prefer the GTI over the MS3.
If you don't mind a off brand and the sedan shape, I highly recommend you at least go check out the Suzuki Kizashi. It's one of the best kept secret out there IMHO.
That of course means you have to find a dealership and go through the bad sale reps...:punchout:
Just my 0.02
Alan
I didn't know that's what you bought. I was just telling POS the other day I saw one on the way to work, and thoughtQuote:
Originally Posted by apex2apex
it was a cool looking car...off to read about it.
I saw one the other day too.... with Alan in it.Quote:
Originally Posted by sammm
Stalking him, now? POS Racing will be upset. Your creepiness was growing on him... or was that a rash?Quote:
Originally Posted by slowchildmiata
You are stalking other people now..... I thought we had something special.... ::Blue::Quote:
Originally Posted by jrj512
Sounded like a random incident to me...same motor as the MS3.Quote:
Originally Posted by OZMDD
Read about the "Revo Knuckle" the other day that reduces torque steer. Read that it was planned for the '12 Focus RS, the Euro sibling of the MS3. At the time there was no info on whether it would be on the '12 MS3. The was some speculation of a retro fit for current MS3s. I haven't checked lately. The ECU reduces the HP to 150 in 1st & 2nd gears when the steering is more than 3 degrees off center.
^Interesting....the new Focus is not bad looking either.
http://www.auto123.com/ArtImages/114...-focus-001.jpg
I *really* like the look of the new fuckus... the RS is intriguing, but I'm betting it's priced at $30k. Considering the "Platinum" Focus's are $28k...
Yuck. Must be that pic or color/trim, as I have seen some cool Foci, but thet one is not doing it for me. Kill it with fire plz.
Mo betta?Quote:
Originally Posted by SixAce
http://www.cars0.com/wp-content/uplo...cus-RS-500.jpg
Mmmmm, like a roided-out Yaris, but with awesome instead of suck.
'12 US Focus, Mazda 3, Volvo C30 S40 V50 are all the Ford/Volvo/Mazda C1 platform. Europe has had the C1 Focus for a while. The C30's also have a turbo, but don't have the HP of the MS3 because of lower boost. I don't know if a turbo Focus is offered here yet, it is in Europe. I did read there will be a Turbo Fiesta available here.
Much. But really, the first one is gross. Totally different cars.Quote:
Originally Posted by sammm
It wasn't a rash... it was fungal.Quote:
Originally Posted by jrj512