Mazdaspeed3

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Originally Posted by redmenace

http://www.elepent.com/photos/volkswagen/r32.jpg

Kinda dangerous to break down on a curve like that...

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It's a V-Dub..whaddaya expect?!?! ::BaHump::

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Originally Posted by Treibenschnell

Just remember... ::2Dollar:::2Dollar:::2Dollar: x how ever many months.

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Years, not months but who's counting....

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Originally Posted by TheChadVIII

Can't drift it!

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Don't wanna.

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Originally Posted by Adam Payrot

Torque steer....

Curb weight: 3180 lb

Standing 1/4 mile: 14.4 sec@ 99 mph <- not that great for the hp, but this is why:

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Good points.

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Originally Posted by Miatamoto

3 Reasons:

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meh. I ain't skeered.

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Originally Posted by POS Racing

How about the fact it will more than likely depreciate like a rock, this ain't a BMW it's a Ford Corporate Product.

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I think it will hold it's own, plus it's not $40K new.

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Originally Posted by wrxmr2eater

Higher than STI level insurance costs are a big detractor for a lot of buyers.

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I will check that out.

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Originally Posted by Magma

Just Do It

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You're not helping! :rolleyes:

Have you even driven one yet??

I know of another car you thought was cool until the test drive.

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Originally Posted by POS Racing

Have you even driven one yet??

I know of another car you thought was cool until the test drive.

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Again with the logic.... :clap: ( I sat in one, does that count?)

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Originally Posted by Treibenschnell

How about one simple symbol - ::2Dollar:::1Dollar:::1Dollar:::2Dollar:::2Dollar: ::1Dollar:::2Dollar:


Okay, okay... more than one. As in more than one monthly payment.

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Originally Posted by Treibenschnell

Just remember... ::2Dollar:::2Dollar:::2Dollar: x how ever many months.

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What he said... plus remember... years!

I think it would also get old answering the same question over and over when you drive it.

"Excuse me sir, how does you grandson like his Mazdaspeed3?"

::Rimshot:

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Originally Posted by sammm

Again with the logic.... :clap: ( I sat in one, does that count?)

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How about... You've gotta save the ::2Dollar:::2Dollar: so you can buy the Stook that you really want... ::Banana::

:rolleyes: Why would you want a Honda on a Miata web forum.:rolleyes:

Rubbery shift linkage, and if it runs anything like the MS6 or the CX7, turbo lag.

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Originally Posted by Adam Payrot

To further stifle any possible torque steer, the powertrain control module has the turbocharger wastegate bleeding off excess boost during possible torque spikes in first and second gear and allowing maximum boost only in third gear and beyond and restraining torque output when sensors indicate that the front wheels are angling into a turn.

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Most auto-x's are 1st and 2nd gear. Seems like this would be a deterrent.

Are you thinking about this to replace the Beemer or the Miata? To replace the Beemer, I think it's a no-brainer. As a replacement autocrosser/DD for the Miata, fuggedaboudit.

• It's got over 60% of its weight over the front wheels
• It's got a very high CG.
• It's got 18"x7" wheels and very little clearance under the fender for bigger tires.
• It's front wheel drive.
• It's got MacStrut suspension, and little in the way of adjustability.

Add those all up, and you've got a nose-heavy, camber-limited, FWD porker that will eat performance tires like they're going out of style. Remember how Mini's are famous for cording R compounds in like 30 runs? This has all the drawbacks of a Cooper, plus more weight and more power on the same width tire.

Contrary to what Titus has said, I don't think anyone will seriously campaign the MS3 in D Stock. People have talked about it, but it has too many drawbacks and not enough advantages over the other cars in it's class. I think the Type R will continue to be the dominant Tour car, while the R32 and 2.5L WRX will be the go-to choice for Pros.

Now if you wanted to spend the same money at your local Mazda dealer, you could get a rwd car that seats four with better balance, better brakes, better power/weight ratio, better adjustability, and room for up to 285s (:shock:) without even rolling the fenders. A car that you could slap a set of Azenis on (for about the same price as it would cost you to put tires on an MS3) and go win Tire class tomorrow with. A purpose built sports car that also happens to be practical to live with, instead of some tarted-up boy racer fwd economy car. :wink:

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Originally Posted by altiain

Now if you wanted to spend the same money at your local Mazda dealer, you could get a rwd car that seats four with better balance, better brakes, better power/weight ratio, better adjustability, and room for up to 285s (:shock:) without even rolling the fenders. A car that you could slap a set of Azenis on (for about the same price as it would cost you to put tires on an MS3) and go win Tire class tomorrow with. A purpose built sports car that also happens to be practical to live with, instead of some tarted-up boy racer fwd economy car. :wink:

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Saw it coming a mile away! :D

BTW, it's Bimmer, not Beemer. Beemers are motorcycles. ;)

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Originally Posted by Miatamoto

Saw it coming a mile away! :D

BTW, it's Bimmer, not Beemer. Beemers are motorcycles. ;)

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Nice ones, at that...

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Originally Posted by altiain

Contrary to what Titus has said, I don't think anyone will seriously campaign the MS3 in D Stock. People have talked about it, but it has too many drawbacks and not enough advantages over the other cars in it's class. I think the Type R will continue to be the dominant Tour car, while the R32 and 2.5L WRX will be the go-to choice for Pros.

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Yeah, may have been all talk... I know one of the places I saw mention of it was here. I saw some talk on it somewhere else too, but I don't recall where.

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Originally Posted by tailchaser

Nice ones, at that...

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+1. Very well said Iain. :clap:

I shall read that post every time I am tempted by the SI, MS3, MINI and GTI......

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Originally Posted by Miatamoto

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Originally Posted by altiain

Now if you wanted to spend the same money at your local Mazda dealer, you could get a rwd car that seats four with better balance, better brakes, better power/weight ratio, better adjustability, and room for up to 285s (:shock:) without even rolling the fenders. A car that you could slap a set of Azenis on (for about the same price as it would cost you to put tires on an MS3) and go win Tire class tomorrow with. A purpose built sports car that also happens to be practical to live with, instead of some tarted-up boy racer fwd economy car. :wink:

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Saw it coming a mile away! :D

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Tell me it ain't true! You've driven my car. :wink:

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Originally Posted by altiain

Tell me it ain't true! You've driven my car. :wink:

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You know my opinion of the RX-8. ::rock::

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Originally Posted by altiain

To replace the Beemer, I think it's a no-brainer.

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No brainer=good or bad? I'm confused! :rolleyes: I'm still trying to convince the wife she really needs a Speed3! (not working yet BTW) She still loves her Bimmer.

Good points Iain, thanks.

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Originally Posted by sammm

No brainer=good or bad? I'm confused! :rolleyes: I'm still trying to convince the wife she really needs a Speed3! (not working yet BTW) She still loves her Bimmer.

Good points Iain, thanks.

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I think the MS3 would be a great replacement for the Bimmer. Comfortable, capable, lots of cargo room and fun to drive on the street. For the Miata? Not so much. It might make a better daily driver than the Miata, but I doubt it's nearly as fun to drive at the limit as a Miata or RX-8.

Plus the ::2Dollar:::1Dollar:::1Dollar:::2Dollar:::2Dollar: ::1Dollar: payments...