Out, NASA national office told me there's no roll bar exception for the NC. :(
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Out, NASA national office told me there's no roll bar exception for the NC. :(
They don't recognize the factory roll bar?Quote:
Originally Posted by Miatamoto
Nope :(Quote:
Originally Posted by MiataMike
Guess I'm out too then. I thought I had a shot at street class too. Unless he ^ was in it too.
You were going to run a NASA event, or the miata challenge?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nails
Miata challenge. But it's held at NASA events so I thought the rules were the same.
Yep, these are NASA events so you have to follow NASA rules.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nails
I was hoping to run the NC on 255 star specs as it would be topped out in MC street class and TTE.
Stop being such a :cat: and buy that car a roll bar.Quote:
Originally Posted by Miatamoto
I don't wanna cut my interior up and lose my two cubby spaces for a bar just yet. It's still my DD first.
Don't make me repeat myself! ::EvilBanaQuote:
Originally Posted by Nails
i think you need a bar for time trial. (even though my buddy has run tt without one) but you guys can definately participate if you register for hpde. de4 is basically open passing like tt with fast cars and drivers running comp. school, and getting seat time before going into wheel to wheel. that's why you see spec miata's and amer. iron cars out there without decals but full cages and such. hpde 3 and 4 run on track at the same time. so if you guys wanna run, you can run. but like i stated in the challenge rules, you can't run the whole season without a bar, even though nasa will let you, i think if you plan on running the whole or most of the challenge, there's no reeason why you can't have one within 2-3 events max. i really wanna see what a nc can do. we had threats of them running at the last event, but they all flaked. please show up.
another issue is that msr-c is a potential sponsors home track. gauranteed they will be watching for challenge attendance. i spoke with them awile ago and it was agreed that we would see what kinf of particiaption we received. if we get a good turnout it could mean contingency prizes per event, and great season championship prizes! like, really awesome, valuable prizes!
You guys need to read your rule books a little more carefully. Guess I'm used to it, running with SCCA for a long time. Rules are rules.Quote:
Originally Posted by spoolin2bars
From NASA TT rules:
10.1 Car Preparation, Technical Inspection, and Logbooks
All cars must meet the safety and car preparation standards specified at Section 11 of the NASA
CCR. All convertibles must meet the roll bar specifications contained in the CCR for HPDE
participation.
From the NASA CCR:
11.4.7 Roll Bars
All open cars should have a roll bar installed to help protect the occupant(s) from injury
during a roll-over. The roll bar should be able to withstand the compressional forces
involved in supporting the full weight of the car. The roll bar’s main hoop should extend
the full width of the car (except certain cars that have been approved by NASA).
I emailed the head honcho of NASA TT Texas and was directed to the national office. They replied to my email saying that the NC was not on the exclusion list for open top cars. Note that the NASA CCR covers both TT and HPDE so if there were NCs out on course without an aftermarket bar then somebody dropped the ball at that NASA event.
My bar may be in the car by the time of this event (fingers crossed)
Looking coward to the event
Don't be scared, Miatamoto and I aren't runnin'. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by NC Eunos
I like to come out and support your cause. I've never run NASA HPDE, so will they stick me in HPDE1? Can I just register for HPDE3? I guess I'll call and find out. I'm guessing I'd be unlimited: MMP62, Flex, sways, r-comp..Quote:
Originally Posted by spoolin2bars
H2R got my blood up for more...need another fix...
sounds like fun
SA
Damn, the double hoop bar that Geezer and I have isn't legal per the rules, nevermind that it's beefier than GWR's single hoop bar. Oh well, it's good enough for Chrono X.
Yeah screw NASA. If I ever do upgrade my bar it would be the GWR double hoop because it's the only one tall enough to clear my helmet. Besides, the single horizontal bar blocks my rear view mirror for spotting police helicopters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris S
I prefer the double hoop b/c it retains the one-handed lifting operation of the top. Having owned a single hoop on my last Miata, I can appreciate what a PITA top raising can be w/ a single hoop. My NC still has to do double duty as a track and street car, so stuff like that is important.
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Originally Posted by Nails
You're fine in HPDE3 if you can survive the Friday at Miatas at Hallett. The DFW Miata track crew don't coddle each other.Quote:
Originally Posted by SixAce
it's not like a small hpde only type deal like tdr or something. they won't "stick you" in any class. when you register, sign up for hpde3 and you'll be in hpde3. there is a space where you enter your previous experience. if you have more than 5 hpde/time trials, they won't even question it. if you want an instructor, you'll have to ask for one. they don't have time to babysit, so if you say you have enough experience, they will believe you. obviously, if your a total newb and lie about it, it'll be clearly obvious too all the track officials, you'll be blk. flagged, get a check ride and demoted to de1/2. and please don't post a page from the ccr. i'm telling you this from experience with atleast 25 friends and aquiantences that i have taken to their first nasa event since 2006.Quote:
Originally Posted by SixAce
you will have a blast, and see some badass shit if you've never gone to actual raceday/trackday
you can read! :clap:Quote:
Originally Posted by Miatamoto
that's like calling the dealer and asking if racing will void your warranty. what are they supposed to say? if your scared, go get tech'ed and register/pay afterwards on the morning of the event. don't you track your car all the time? why wouldn't you have a bar anyways?
I have never run with NASA but I read the rule as "should have" which to me means optional. If it said "shall have" or "will have" then it's required.
I would still be suprised if a roll bar was not required.
Guess you don't bother. :clap:Quote:
Originally Posted by spoolin2bars
If the head of NASA TX TT and the national office say that it's a no-go, why would you think it wouldn't be a problem. My NC's main purpose is being a daily driver. It is also built to the SCCA STR autocross class and serves as my HPDE car for fun. It's not built to be a track competition car. I don't need a roll bar for any of the other uses. I thought it would be fun to try a NASA TT but if it doesn't meet their safety standards I'm not going to go out of my way to make the car legal for that. I've got plenty of other competitive outlets to keep myself busy.
apparently you don't either. i said from the start that you could in hpde. NOT TT. (although my buddy did just that in his msm) second, the tt director or the national office isn't going to be at msr-c doing tech insp. i don't know how else to say this more clearly, not sure what you don't understand.
why would i think it would not be a problem? because i and many of my friends have gone to nasa events at tracks across texas without one. of course we have all installed one now. all but one of my friends started running hpde's without a bar for the first few hpde's, at all different times throughtout the past 5 years. that's why i don't think it would be a problem. that's also why i said you could fill out a tech form and get that out of the way first. if for some reason they say no, your not out your entry fee. but that just might be too much trouble for what it's worth. actually, it's already too much trouble. sorry you couldn't make it, i would have loved to see what your car could do.
Like I said, the NASA CCR covers HPDE and TT. If you and your friends have run events without a roll bar somebody dropped the ball. Just b/c the national office is not going to be doing tech inspection at MSR doesn't make it right. :confused:
You'll see my black NC, though it will run a great deal slower than Miatamoto's black one!...I'm talking bout using a calender to measure the difference lol.....either way I'll be out there for the seat time and fun.
Not true NC Eunos! Your car runs a good deal faster than Miatamoto's. It will be driven slower. Fastest laps my car ever made at Hallett were with Miatamoto or Trackdog driving it.
awesome! it would be nice if geezer would show up too. his nc is real fast at harris hill road. like to see that car on track sometime. he's never there when i go to h2r.Quote:
Originally Posted by NC Eunos
i get it, your not going. but stop saying someone dropped the ball. it was never picked up. that's not a rule they enforce here. they wan't to grow in members and allow it in hpde. of course they can't admit that. but anybody that tracks more than a couple times in a convertible always buys a roll bar (as all my friend's and i have) anyway's. but you're not a newb, i'm sure you would be driving much faster than a first timer, so there's no excuse for you. you shouldn't be doing any trackday events in your car wether they allow it or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Miatamoto
The NC has a bar.
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Fixed it for ya! ::StirThePQuote:
Originally Posted by Nails
;)
The roll bar’s main hoop should extend the full width of the car (except certain cars that have been approved by NASA)
I'm planning to come. But I'll be miffed if I get there and they disallow my double hoop, 6 point bar that is about 4 inches over my helmet.Quote:
Originally Posted by spoolin2bars
Allright good to see that your a maybe james! Long time no see since that s2k day at HHR.Quote:
Originally Posted by geezer
yes! you're a real man's man!
In for Saturday. HPDE3.
Even if I don't run I'll be out there to see Geezers car.
Anyone know what direction/configuration this event will be? I looked at the NASA site but didn't see any indication - Apologies in advance if everyone already except me already knows this :)