Entertaining weekend at Hallett

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08-26-2007, 08:36 PM
SirHustlerEsq

Entertaining weekend at Hallett

Novice driver, hoosiers, 120mph loop right before turn 7, backed into the tire wall backwards, flipped front over rear like a punted football. I could see the car in the air from turn 2-3, in the tire wall on the other side of the pond...I bet it had 5' of air. I don't know how the hell he got the car over there, the tire marks didn't tell the story either.

1300 miles on the clock. It was bad ass too. Yellow (carbon?) brakes, exhaust, techart wheels, and all other kinds of cool garbage I can't name that doesn't matter anymore. It will probably live again as a racecar.

Yes, my camera phone is 6 years old.
http://i16.tinypic.com/542k8dc.jpg

Every single panel on the car was bent. The hood almost made it out unscathed, but apparently whacked a tire and had a slight crease.

and the runner up...

I came across the most dangerous person on the track I've ever seen. An guido in a c5z (who liked to clutch, brake, then downshift of idle), went in too hot to pass me, went off track, then passed me in a corner (wiped my nose in 4 because he didn't drive the line), put 2 off on 6, I had to brake for him, then put 4 off in 10, and then pulled off in front of me like 100' out of the corner...he turned his head and looked right at me, and I had to take it into the grass at 60mph or so after some created braking...this is all in one lap!

Then he ignored the black flag, smoked a clutch unlike any clutch I've ever seen before on the renegade lap, then he was booted.

lol
08-26-2007, 08:44 PM
blackzx3_13

Dang
08-26-2007, 08:53 PM
channelmaniac

Damn...

I hope they put him on the "do not return, ever" list for ignoring the black flag.
08-26-2007, 09:35 PM
jeff_man

looks like it's a good thing i didn't make it to hallett today
08-27-2007, 06:03 AM
altiain

That's the reason I don't like public track days. Too many mouth breathers with a lot more horsepower than skill.
08-27-2007, 12:21 PM
johnwag

Wow Trey!!!!! Unfortunately, this doesn't surprise me too much. We were lucky last month to have a lot of courteous drivers on the track. Doesn't seem like you had that opportunity this time. :rolleyes:

What were your lap times like this past weekend? Any improvements?
08-27-2007, 02:23 PM
SirHustlerEsq

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnwag

Wow Trey!!!!! Unfortunately, this doesn't surprise me too much. We were lucky last month to have a lot of courteous drivers on the track. Doesn't seem like you had that opportunity this time. :rolleyes:

What were your lap times like this past weekend? Any improvements?

I cut down 1.5 seconds...I ran a 1:41.

We actually had a really good group though. My limitation is rubber at this point. I am seriously considering r-compounds. I rode/drove with an SM driver/instructor for a session and she pretty much alluded that a few places where I don't have as much steering input as I'd like, could be alleviated by r-compounds.

I've done 9 track days now, 8 at Hallett, and I don't really know if I should get a set of Azenis or NT-01's for the set of 15's I'm picking up to accomidate the "sport" brakes. I am at least going to burn up the 60% of rubber I have left on these azenis first.
08-27-2007, 02:53 PM
johnwag

Quote:

Originally Posted by mr brg

I cut down 1.5 seconds...I ran a 1:41.

I've done 9 track days now, 8 at Hallett, and I don't really know if I should get a set of Azenis or NT-01's for the set of 15's I'm picking up to accommodate the "sport" brakes. I am at least going to burn up the 60% of rubber I have left on these Azenis first.

Great! I was hoping you would hit 1:41!

Before you switch to R-comps, get sways, a PPF brace, and an LSD. Every miata driver should focus on handling and suspension before power. This was, and still is the theory that I go by. Considering how much money that you've spent on the turbo kit that is sitting in your hotel room, take the R-comp money and pay for the suspension mods you need. Drive for a while with a nice handling, fairly quick, naturally aspirated miata and get your CONSISTENT lap times into the mid to high 1"30's, then upgrade your car with more power when you know that your limits have been maxed. More power just means more expenses.
08-27-2007, 03:08 PM
SirHustlerEsq

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnwag

Great! I was hoping you would hit 1:41!

Before you switch to R-comps, get sways, a PPF brace, and an LSD. Every miata driver should focus on handling and suspension before power. This was, and still is the theory that I go by. Considering how much money that you've spent on the turbo kit that is sitting in your hotel room, take the R-comp money and pay for the suspension mods you need. Drive for a while with a nice handling, fairly quick, naturally aspirated miata and get your CONSISTENT lap times into the mid to high 1"30's, then upgrade your car with more power when you know that your limits have been maxed. More power just means more expenses.

I'm going to take the car home this weekend to do sway bars...I think. You know how lazy I am. I don't know that the sway bars will reduce lap times, but it may make the car easier to drive. 1.8 cars are pulling me pretty hard on the straights though, even with faster exit speeds. Maybe MS will fix that for the track day in September (+/-115whp).
08-27-2007, 03:25 PM
johnwag

Quote:

Originally Posted by mr brg

I'm going to take the car home this weekend to do sway bars...I think. You know how lazy I am. I don't know that the sway bars will reduce lap times, but it may make the car easier to drive. 1.8 cars are pulling me pretty hard on the straights though, even with faster exit speeds. Maybe MS will fix that for the track day in September (+/-115whp).

Well, let's do sway bars and the torsen swap. You did tell me that you had an LSD, didn't you? Also, refer to my post in your sway bar thread.
08-27-2007, 03:29 PM
Radio-Active

Being that the BRG was a top of the line SE package, I would think it would have come standard. My Dad was going to buy one until he saw that they wanted an additional $4000 for it!

He opted for the 1991 B package in white with ABS and LSD
08-27-2007, 03:34 PM
SirHustlerEsq

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnwag

Well, let's do sway bars and the torsen swap. You did tell me that you had an LSD, didn't you? Also, refer to my post in your sway bar thread.

I have to send the r&p off for cryo first, so that's not going to happen before the next track day.

I just looked at that post. Man, if I could cut 1 more second off, I'd just about have a sezuire.

Time to email gary and drive the subaru back to OKC.
08-27-2007, 03:44 PM
johnwag

Quote:

Originally Posted by mr brg

I have to send the r&p off for cryo first, so that's not going to happen before the next track day.

I just looked at that post. Man, if I could cut 1 more second off, I'd just about have a sezuire.

Time to email gary and drive the subaru back to OKC.

We need to talk about your path to great handling, then buy those parts through Gary. Your car is capable of high 1:30's.
08-27-2007, 04:19 PM
SirHustlerEsq

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnwag

We need to talk about your path to great handling, then buy those parts through Gary. Your car is capable of high 1:30's.

Do the RB links break or something, why would I need 2 sets of heim joints?
08-27-2007, 04:42 PM
johnwag

Quote:

Originally Posted by mr brg

Do the RB links break or something, why would I need 2 sets of heim joints?

1 pair for the front and 1 pair for the rear.
08-27-2007, 04:58 PM
icepenguin66

Quote:

Originally Posted by mr brg

I cut down 1.5 seconds...I ran a 1:41.

We actually had a really good group though. My limitation is rubber at this point. I am seriously considering r-compounds. I rode/drove with an SM driver/instructor for a session and she pretty much alluded that a few places where I don't have as much steering input as I'd like, could be alleviated by r-compounds.

I've done 9 track days now, 8 at Hallett, and I don't really know if I should get a set of Azenis or NT-01's for the set of 15's I'm picking up to accomidate the "sport" brakes. I am at least going to burn up the 60% of rubber I have left on these azenis first.

What suspension and brake pads are you running at the track?
I squeezed out a 1:37:99 on azenis while cooking the first and last set of HP Plus pads I'llever buy! I'm running GC with AGX at full stiff on the track.
08-27-2007, 05:03 PM
icepenguin66

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnwag

Great! I was hoping you would hit 1:41!

Before you switch to R-comps, get sways, a PPF brace, and an LSD. Every miata driver should focus on handling and suspension before power. This was, and still is the theory that I go by. Considering how much money that you've spent on the turbo kit that is sitting in your hotel room, take the R-comp money and pay for the suspension mods you need. Drive for a while with a nice handling, fairly quick, naturally aspirated miata and get your CONSISTENT lap times into the mid to high 1"30's, then upgrade your car with more power when you know that your limits have been maxed. More power just means more expenses.

Lol, uh yep more power=more likely to break stuff=more $$$! First lap of Hallett's SM/PA class race last month, blew a seal and was smoking like a bat out of hell!::Censor:: and I was cutting 1:34's in the practice sessions with that crappy suspension we have on the race car!:punchout:
08-27-2007, 07:33 PM
SirHustlerEsq

Quote:

Originally Posted by icepenguin66

What suspension and brake pads are you running at the track?
I squeezed out a 1:37:99 on azenis while cooking the first and last set of HP Plus pads I'llever buy! I'm running GC with AGX at full stiff on the track.

jesus christ!

I have 450/385 w/bilstein GC's and hp+. Those are the only mods on the car. It has "Lanny's" alignment. I don't know where I'm going to find another 3 seconds.
08-27-2007, 08:01 PM
johnwag

Quote:

Originally Posted by mr brg

jesus christ!

I have 450/385 w/bilstein GC's and hp+. Those are the only mods on the car. It has "Lanny's" alignment. I don't know where I'm going to find another 3 seconds.

You and I are gonna have to trade cars for a session. Or maybe you should let Chris or me drive your car with you in it. I would count on Chris being a faster driver considering his many years experience at Hallett.
08-27-2007, 08:08 PM
SirHustlerEsq

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnwag

You and I are gonna have to trade cars for a session. Or maybe you should let Chris or me drive your car with you in it. I would count on Chris being a faster driver considering his many years experience at Hallett.

I get really nervous when other people drive my car, and vice versus. All it takes is one missed gear and the car is done.

It kinda sucks that I've managed to go from enjoying the track to hating every minute of it because I can't seem to get faster. I guess I'll just get back to reading in a futile attempt to escape the "more money than brains" designation...especially considering I don't have any money.

I've pretty much told myself that I'm not going to install the turbo motor until I get into the 1:30's...considering a 1:37 is attainable, I'm dropping it further.
08-27-2007, 08:10 PM
blackzx3_13

Have you thought about installing a video camera? If you are kind of nervous about others driving your car, this could be an easy way for them to take a look at what you are doing around the track.
08-27-2007, 08:48 PM
SirHustlerEsq

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackzx3_13

Have you thought about installing a video camera? If you are kind of nervous about others driving your car, this could be an easy way for them to take a look at what you are doing around the track.

yeah, I need to pick up a cam. I'll let other people drive, but they have to be the same size as me.
08-27-2007, 09:18 PM
johnwag

Quote:

Originally Posted by mr brg

I'll let other people drive, but they have to be the same size as me.

No they don't. Miatas@Hallett is 4 weeks away. Just ride with me then. I can ride along with you or so could Mike, Michael or Gary.

Your becoming too obsessed with the transponder. Track time is supposed to be a stress reliever not a stress creator. Your too worried.......STOP IT!!!!
08-27-2007, 09:39 PM
SirHustlerEsq

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnwag

No they don't. Miatas@Hallett is 4 weeks away. Just ride with me then. I can ride along with you or so could Mike, Michael or Gary.

Your becoming too obsessed with the transponder. Track time is supposed to be a stress reliever not a stress creator. Your too worried.......STOP IT!!!!

My seat is bolted to the floor, they have to be the same size as me.

I need an instructor that will yell, hit, belittle, and make fun of me. With a minimum of 3 seconds deficiency, I should have a laundry list of embarrassment.

I'm determined come out of my 8 months in OK with something to show for it. I don't want to be in the "more money than intelligence" designation.
08-27-2007, 09:47 PM
johnwag

Quote:

Originally Posted by mr brg

My seat is bolted to the floor, they have to be the same size as me.

I need an instructor that will yell, hit, belittle, and make fun of me. With a minimum of 3 seconds deficiency, I should have a laundry list of embarrassment.

I'm determined come out of my 8 months in OK with something to show for it. I don't want to be in the "more money than intelligence" designation.

Well, that's almost as severe as Gary riding with me, except I'm a fast learner and didn't have to do it for very long. Gary was by far the best thing that improved my driving in one track session. It was taking what he taught me in 1 session and then applying it to every session/track day after that, that has allowed me to visualize the track much better. He's a very aggressive driver and instructor. If you ride with me, you'll find that I'm aggressive, just not as aggressive as Gary.(he has much more power and way bigger brakes and tires)
08-28-2007, 05:42 AM
SirHustlerEsq

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnwag

Well, that's almost as severe as Gary riding with me, except I'm a fast learner and didn't have to do it for very long. Gary was by far the best thing that improved my driving in one track session. It was taking what he taught me in 1 session and then applying it to every session/track day after that, that has allowed me to visualize the track much better. He's a very aggressive driver and instructor. If you ride with me, you'll find that I'm aggressive, just not as aggressive as Gary.(he has much more power and way bigger brakes and tires)

I'm not looking for an excuse for my inferior abilities, but I've badgered every instructor I've had so far to give more input. If I'm not clicking off high 1:30's, the instructor needs to be yelling and screaming...not telling me "you have a good line."...apparently not if I'm embarrassed to show up.
08-28-2007, 06:49 AM
SirHustlerEsq

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnwag

1 pair for the front and 1 pair for the rear.

Why not just adjust one side up and down? No sense in wasting another $85...unless the heim's don't have enough range for that.
08-28-2007, 10:46 AM
miataspeedracer

When Mike P. and I were running our sessions at Hallett last year, we were two of the few guys without transponders. Therefore, we only had an approximation of the times we were running. But I'll bet you we had more FUN than pretty much everyone out there...

YMMV...
08-28-2007, 01:02 PM
SirHustlerEsq

Quote:

Originally Posted by miataspeedracer

When Mike P. and I were running our sessions at Hallett last year, we were two of the few guys without transponders. Therefore, we only had an approximation of the times we were running. But I'll bet you we had more FUN than pretty much everyone out there...

YMMV...

I need to find a buddy with a bicycle to pair up with then.
08-28-2007, 01:08 PM
Radio-Active

Well, something must be looking up.

You got rid of the famed 'Douche Canoe' status.

I'd just go out and have some more fun. Not worry so much about the numbers. I would think that will come with more seat time.
08-28-2007, 01:11 PM
SirHustlerEsq

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Originally Posted by Radio-Active

Well, something must be looking up.

You got rid of the famed 'Douche Canoe' status.

I'm moving up in the world.
08-28-2007, 01:18 PM
sammm

Quote:

Originally Posted by someone awake

You got rid of the famed 'Douche Canoe' status.

You're welcome.

DISCLAIMER - Management reserves the right to re-instate said 'Douche Canoe" status at any given time to any given body. Thank you. Please drive thru.
08-28-2007, 03:43 PM
black roadster

Quote:

Originally Posted by sammm

DISCLAIMER - Management reserves the right to re-instate said 'Douche Canoe" status at any given time to any given body. Thank you. Please drive thru.

I nominate Titus. ::Banana::
08-29-2007, 10:04 AM
johnwag

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Originally Posted by black roadster

I nominate Titus. ::Banana::

Be careful BR, you might nominate yourself.

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