Here's a Video of the true intent of Microsoft.
Worth a laugh or two.
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Here's a Video of the true intent of Microsoft.
Worth a laugh or two.
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...and, boy, does it ever suck! I think that seals it for me... my next computer's gonna be a Mac. ;)
Well that was funny :clap: , but I really don't see what the big deal is with people saying that Vista sucks. Granted, it can be a little anoying at times but not any more so than XP. And yes, I will agree that it does run margianly slower on my 3 year old PC compared to XP. But am I the only one that doesn't despise Vista? Maybe it's because I'm running Vista Ultimate, or maybe it's because I'm not the average techno schlub that's trying to run Vista on a PC that can barely take XP Home.
I don't know, I just don't get it.
I'm with you... I'm not running it only because I don't want to try and run it on a PC that isn't equipped for it, but I have liked it when I have had the opportunity to use it. I have considered upgrading to a new PC with it, as I am a firm believer that that is the only responsible way to move up to a new OS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nexus Flux
I dunno... I tried it on my cousin's laptop, and my issue wasn't with the speed, but with the ::Rant:: interruptions while it stopped to ask permission for EVERYTHING! She can't use it, bless her heart, and I got so frustrated with it that I almost set fire to her new laptop. In the meantime, it sits on her kitchen table with a very pretty Monet wallpaper on display - and that's about it. I've promised her a copy of XP the next time she comes into town. As an example, I was trying to dump pix I took at her 30th birthday to her laptop... well, ya gotta have a driver... and, apparently, my ancient-ass 3-year-old Canon Powershot is not supported by Vista... BUT it'll let you get about 95% through the driver install before it coughs up a turd and shuts you down... and NOW it won't even recognize that I've plugged anything in to the machine. I had ONE SHOT to get the thing installed, and now it's totally locked it out. Vista isn't backwards-compatible with ANYTHING, and if your shit happens to be more than 8 months old, then you're just screwed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Titus
Vista is a half-baked piece of shit. Period. End of story.
Funny thing is, when I got a BRAND NEW laptop from my company, it came with XP (and IE 6, btw)... why?... BECAUSE VISTA SUCKS and it crashes and it just won't do for a work PC that needs to be RELIABLE and easy to use. In fact, anybody I've talked to that has to run PCs in a functional work environment is sticking with XP for this very reason. They won't touch Vista with a 10-foot pole.
Check back in 8 years once they come out with Vista '15 and it's got most of the bugs worked out of it. Until then, I'll probably have a Mac if my old Dell lapper craps the bed.
I'm telling you... if Microsoft is the GM of the software industry, then Vista is the Fiero - just hope it doesn't catch fire while you're driving it... but, eventually, they'll have it reasonably sorted out... at which point they'll kill it. :rolleyes:
Most corporations are disabling all that security crap that stops everything and asks for permission. Users are screaming because of it.
Yes... anything that requires a driver requires a NEW MODEL of driver. This means that most stuff won't work.
Yes, Fist-uh has a compatibility mode for drivers where old drivers supposedly work but the USB handling is different now so I've had ZERO success in getting that to work.
My Canon Digital Rebel is unsupported. Granted, you can use a CF to USB reader to work around it.
Printers: Sony DPP-SV55 photo printer is unsupported. Alps dye sublimation printers are unsupported. Hell, an HP LaserJet Series II printer is unsupported - which was the fallback workaround for supporting most laser printers ever made. That meant Mom needed a new printer too.
Even my EPROM programmer won't work under Fist-uh. Bastards.
I like the UI changes though. It's slick.... *if* you have a powerful enough video card to run it properly.
The worst part has to be the instabilities. They are MUCH better now that it has been out awhile and repeatedly patched. My system died a horrible death due to the ASUS BIOS updates.
Who in their right ::Censor::ing mind makes a BIOS update that fixes system instabilities run UNDER WINDOWS? It locked up in the middle of the update and there was NO way to recover from the corrupt BIOS. (Custom BIOS for an OEM motherboard - HP - and no DOS mode update to do a recovery)
The funny thing was the BIOS patch was to fix microcode issues in the Intel Core 2 DUO CPU that was contributing to the lockups. It wasn't *all* Fist-uhs fault after all. DOH!
The point of all this rambling is... Get current hardware. Prepare to patch the software over & over & over & over & over until all the patches are in there. Next, replace all of your peripherals as they won't be compatible. Yes, I said all. You cheap bastards haven't bought anything new for a couple of years, right? That old stuff won't work anymore.
Planned obsolescence sucks. Thank you Micro$oft for that Fist-uh crap and for forcing manufacturers and retailers to not give you a choice of running XP on new systems.
I have a supossidly Vista Ready Notebook. After 6 months I wiped the drive and went back to XP because of its crap.
I am kinda old fashioned in that I prefer to assemble my own computers from components. I know its no cheaper than buying whole, but I enjoy doing it. So that kinda kills Macs for me. However, I have been having some luck with Fedora on my desktop.
Well, there is a reason that the iMac commercials are so smug. I have not had any trouble upgrading from the OS 10.4 to the new 10.5 and neither has my wife. In fact, I got her a copy of Vista Home to put on her new laptop. It was as frustrating as what you all are describing. She never uses it even though EVERYTHING at her job centers around XP!
I got Vista Home Ultimate with my new Dell PC. Works great, much faster than my previous PC. No complaints here guys!
I use a Vista comp at work (where I am typing this). We bought it new with Vista, and it has by-far the largest amount of RAM, processor speed, and is a dual processor. It runs even slower than the comp running XP that is about to EXPLODE (the HD sounds like it's scratching a chalkboard). I can't have IE, Yahoo IM and ANYTHING ELSE open at the same time or it freezes. Everytime I open Quickbooks I have a 50/50 chance of it working. I have to end Yahoo IM AT LEAST 5 times a day, cause it will just STOP WORKING. And then it does the, "looking for fix" and can never fix it. If I close it with the pop-up window (would you like to close this program?) it never closes it, it just stays in the processes and keeps getting bigger and BIGGER, and BIGGER! I have to ctrl-alt-del to get it to actually stop. 90% of all videos that run in a webpage don't work, including ones that are WMP.
We had the same issue at my last job, we had a computer die, so we bought a new one, and the only option was for Vista (No XP). We figured it would work, but it wouldn't run UPS Worldship (still won't), wouldn't do certificates, wouldn't run our custom designed webpage. We ended up trading it for a XP comp from another employee.
sh!t > XP > Vista
So all that really says, is that it can be a PITA if you want to install a canidate copy of a service pack. Why would you not wait for the final code in early 08?Quote:
Originally Posted by motorollow
Some of the issues you guys are blaming on Microsoft fall on the manafacturers of the apps and hardware.
I don't see how it's Microsoft's fault that a third party piece of hardware doesn't work properly because the hardware manafacturer has a crappy driver or non at all, which forces you to use a driver ment for XP, or a "possibly compatible" that Microsoft provides. Also many of the times that anoying prompt pops up is when third party manafactures don't sign their drivers. Personally I don't mind it, I'd rather get a warning that there is a change being implemented than have goofy stuff going on in the background the shouldn't be.
As far as the apps go, the manafacturers should at least patch their software to make it a little more Vista compatible. The whole issue of apps breaking in Vista should be a boon for the user community as it will force developers to write cleaner code and stop slapping together crappy apps. Example: I write a crappy app that has many bugs such as buffer overflows, Vista recognises said overflow and crashes the app in an attempt to avert a possible virus/spyware/malware/etc attack, I am forced to clean up the app in order to keep it on the market, user gets better app.
I am currently running Vista in three flavors, ultimate, home premium, and buisness. I have noticed that I do get more prompts the home version, but I think this might be an attempt to try and keep home locked down a bit more to protect blindingly clicking users from getting crap on their system.
Just my $0.3141592653
I know, I know... Vista sucks! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Nexus Flux
So where is the rest of the pi?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nexus Flux
I would equate it to the next generation of a car. The NC Miata (Vista) is now out. It is a little heavier, but it is safer and offers a lot of nice improvements over the NB (XP). It doesn't yet have the same aftermarket support of the NA/NB. It isn't Mazda's fault that the Jackson Racing Supercharger made for the NB doesn't bolt right up to the NC. It is JR's responsibility to get with the program and update the kit to work with the NC. If you have to have a supercharger, stick with your old NB until the aftermarket has caught up. In the mean time, you can't blame the car for the aftermarket's lack of support.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nexus Flux
Just throwing in my two-fitty.
Ditto with an HP desktop that I bought back in the spring. Supposedly a "Vista Ready" machine, with specs much higher than the PC it was replacing. Vista is a memory and processor hog, and my new PC operates slower than the one it replaced, despite it's greatly increased specs.Quote:
Originally Posted by HudsonHawk
I'm re-installing XP over the Christmas holiday.
But it's more like if they took the Miata and added a landau roof, crushed velvet interior, wire hubcaps, a suspension lift and a back seat - a whole lot of useless crap you'll never use that slows you down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Titus
::Banana::
For those who've been annoyed with Vista and never liked XP, Ubuntu has been a pretty sweet Linux distribution that's been picking up serious speed. It's been amazing to see where it's gotten and how even OEM manufacturers like Dell are selling them pretty nicely. I know XP crapped out on me a few times and I did a wipe to Ubuntu since... No crashes, lock-ups, or problems since and I couldn't have been happier. Stability like a Mac, eye candy like a high end PC, and at the cost of nothing.
I know I used Vista a few times and it just annoyed the hell out of me with the UAC asking "Daddy Please?" for every little thing. That and the marginal benefit is almost minor at best, unless eye candy is considered a benefit. If Windows is a must, I say XP because Microsoft is inching closer and closer to realizing that XP may be lingering around longer than they hoped. With the hazy opinions on Vista, I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft cans it and pushes Windows 7 out.
/end OS rant here
Not likely... Most all of Microsoft's huge corporate clients are committed to moving to Vista. Microsoft knows that once they have it at work and are forced to use it every day, the average consumer will get used to it, stop their bitching, and buy a new PC with Vista for home. Microsoft may very well release a second release of Vista, but there is no way they would risk pissing off corporate America by shortening the lifespan of the platform to push out Win7. With corporations like mine in the middle of projects with budgets bigger than you would believe to convert 200k employees and 100s of custom apps to Vista, Vista is here for it's planned lifespan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kakkyo
What's Win7? Is that the new OS they're coming out with?
Yes. Possibly earlier than originally planned if the big shops don't start picking up Vista faster... I figure BoA is probably the death knell for Vista. Whatever they adopt is usually a good indication of what no one else will. :-PQuote:
Originally Posted by Bacon
It's been my experience that most companies don't consider a new MS OS until after the first service pack. It's due to budgeting, hardware requirements, internal software updates for their custom apps, beuractatic red tape, testing, fear of user acceptance, etc... Vista's SP1 is due out in Q1 08 so I think more and more companies will probably be using it by Q3 08.
My company just upgraded half of its pc's to XP from NT. Just 3 years ago, IBM upgraded my PC from a 333Mhz to a P4. I still have my 3 year old PC with Windows 2000.
Yes, this is quite common. One compny I worked at didn't realise there were still NT boxes on the newtork despite me pointing it out on numerous occasions. Then one day the company got hit with a virus and realized the PBX and fax systems were running on NT. The phones were out for 3 days. This happened last year.
Going back to Titus' comment on the OS lifecycle, here is an excerpt form MS' page.
Products Released |General Availability Date| Mainstream Support Retired| Extended Support Retired
Windows XP Professional| 12/31/2001| 4/14/2009| 4/8/2014
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This basically means that after 4/14/2009 there will be no SP's, or updates. And after 4/8/2014 extended support contracts will end for corporate customers.