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interesting look. I like the front end but the rear is too sloped for a mustang.
I see hints of a 240SX.
You can put a pig in a dress, give it a manicure, and spray it with perfume... but it's still a pig. Until Ford gives this car [the] independent rear suspension [it deserves], it'll continue to handle like a pig.
In a dress.
Even if Ford gave the Mustang an irs, you would still have the pig part at 3500lbs+, lets not forget Mustang buyers are in to drag racing or just buy the car for image, meaning they don't want an irs or don't care.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kestrel
Erm... watched any Grand Am racing lately? Notice that F Stock's index jumped higher than any of the other Stock classes for '09?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kestrel
The solid rear axle isn't the most sophisticated solution, but in the current Mustang it works pretty darn well. The D2C platform Mustang is light years ahead of the previous generation in terms of driving dynamics and handling. You should drive one before you knock it.
Wait... aren't you getting them confused with ricers?Quote:
Originally Posted by aalvarez04
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Originally Posted by altiain
Yeah, thanks. I have noticed that a fully prepared racing Mustang can do pretty well -- they have done for years. Has little if anything to do with normal driving in a normal car, but I suppose you're just trying to convince me of how good that rear suspension is. ;) Funny... Ferrari, Lamborghini, Porsche -- not to mention Mazda, Volkswagen, and even Hyundai -- haven't caught on to the superiority of the solid rear suspension, but what do they know? And we all know that autocross indexing is a perfect representation of a car's relative performance.Quote:
Originally Posted by altiain
I have driven a Mustang recently (interesting that you'd automatically assume that I haven't) -- rented one on vacation for a week this summer. It was a nice cruiser, and for the money, it's probably not a bad value. I enjoyed the car for what it was, and I definitely agree with you that Ford has done a pretty good job with the solid rear suspension. But I keep thinking of what the car could be if Ford would step into the modern age.
YMMV
"if Ford would step into the modern age."
They will once they get a slice of 25,000,000,000.00 US.
I thought Ford owned Mazda.
They just sold more than half their stock, much of it back to Mazda. I believe this transfers control back to Mazda.Quote:
Originally Posted by ken o
Ford owns 33% of Mazda, they are selling 20%....at least according to the article I read.
yep... and Mazda just kicked 2 of the 3 ford guys off of the board and announced the replacement of the Ford crowned CEO with a home grown Mazda guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by VFR750
At one time, the Mustang WAS going to be a Mazda. The Mazda built Ford Probe was going to be a Mustang, until Mustang enthusiasts protested. I guess drag racing a front wheel drive car is even worse that drag racing one with IRS.Quote:
Originally Posted by ken o
The Probe was a piece of crap and was never going to be able to take the place of the Mustang. And for all you guys that say the live axle can't hang, go ride in an American Iron car and then come back and report. They are good for more than just Drag Racing. Ford did it for money reasons also.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snowdoggie
Someone didn't read prior posts. Reference...Quote:
Originally Posted by driftdevil
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Originally Posted by Kestrel
No smartass just stating the truth. Don't assume anything.
What am I assuming? That a mustang prepped to race can race however in stock form it's worse than a fwd civic in turns? Solid axle can only "hang" so long, after that a good suspension is a must. Not to mention on the street solid axle feels like garbage.Quote:
Originally Posted by driftdevil
Any word on engines?
I heard that the 2010 was supposed to get the new 3.7L engine from the new Mazda 6. Even if Ford is selling most of their shares, I understand that they swear that they will still collaborate on technology.
If it does get the new Mazda V6, the V6 Mustang will be getting close to the same power levels as the current V8.
From what I've heard through mags and other sources they may still have a V8 but have been talking about a turbo V6.
As much as I hate Mustangs Ian's right, the new Stang dominated in the gt challange or whatever class I haven't kept up, and that is against equally prepared race cars.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kestrel
Sorry, I might have come off a little too rough on the Mustang. I actually LIKE the car! I think the exterior styling is great (best updated "retro" look until the Challenger and Camaro come out), and the interior is not horrible. Oh, and I'm actually a fan of an American V8... love that growl!
I just look at what the Mustang could be with a little more "attention to suspension", and wish Ford would finally take the plunge into the modern era. Put independent suspension on it and cut a few pounds (OK, a few hundred), and this could be a really good car! As it is, it's still probably the best 4 seat (OK, 2+2 seat) convertible out there for the price.
IIRC the 92-97 Thunderbird could be had with a positrac IRS based on the Ford 8.8 center chunk. It doesn't seem that there would be that much R&D to put one in the Mustang. I've always wondered why they didn't. Of course they may think it would no longer be a retro Mustang, or suitable for drag racing?
BTW I think the Challenger stands to high off the ground and the track is too narrow, so there. It looks like they think we'll actually try to make Daisy Duke jumps with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kestrel
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Personally, I can't stand the Challenger's styling. The new model looks far too much like the 1970 model, right down to the little details like headlamps, grille shape, fog lights, and window line. I guess I find the whole thing lazy. The Mustang suffers from the same sort of design, but to a lesser degree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kestrel
However, I like the new Camaro. If you look at an orginal and a 2009 side by side there is a definite family resemblance, but the new car is definitely new. I appreciate how Chevrolet took a little risk in the design.
I can't believe people still buy these heaps.
The t bird irs mounts are not close to the stang mounts at all so you can't use it. You can pull them out of the new edge cobras however but while you do that you might as well pull the 4v motor. I have a soft spot for mustangs but I hate how they are no where near as good as they could be...one day maybe they will be...