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02-25-2009, 08:58 AM
jrj512

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NTAXS Autocross Event #1, 3/21/2009, Pennington Field

The North Texas Autocross Series (NTAXS), sponsored by the North Texas S2000 Owners Club (NTS2KOC), is hosting our first autocross of the season on Saturday, March 21, 2009 at Pennington Field in Bedford. We are charging a season-opener special price of only $20 per person and you must pre-register at http://www.dlbracing.com/Clubs/ntaxs...x?EventID=3801. The event is limited to 60 drivers. Please join us for a great day of racing and fun.

This event will focus on season opener novice training, so it will feature an in-depth course walk-through and ride-along instructors for novices or anyone seeking additional tips and techniques. It’s a great event for first timers!

Car Classing is based on engine size:
- Class 1/1R is for engines under 2.3 liters, except Honda S2000 and Lotus
Elise/Exige.
- Class 2/2R is for engines over 2.2 liters, but under 4.0 liters, plus Honda S2000.
- Class 3/3R is for engines over 3.9 liters, plus Lotus Elise/Exige.
- Class S2000 is only for Honda

Rotary engine multiplies displacement by 2.0. Usage of forced induction multiplies displacement by 1.5. (This is in addition to the rotary multiplier, if applicable.) Tires with a wear rating under 140 must use the R class.

8 AM –9 AM Check-in, Registration, and mandatory Tech Inspection
8:15 AM –9:30 AM Course open for walking
9 AM –9:30 AM Novice Walk-through
9:45 AM Drivers Meeting (mandatory)
10:00 AM First car out
(45-minute lunch break between morning and afternoon heats)

View the rules and additional information at http://www.s2000.org/nts2koc/autox.shtml.

Refer to the attached flyer for more information or contact me at jrj512 at dfwmx5 dot com.
02-25-2009, 09:03 AM
CosmosMpower

Might want to rephrase this:

"Class 1/1R is for engines under 2.3 liters, accept Honda S2000 and Lotus
Elise/Exige."

I would love for the Elise or S2000 to be able to run in Class 1/1R
02-25-2009, 09:14 AM
goofygrin

How many runs do you typically get at an event like this?
02-25-2009, 09:20 AM
sammm

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Originally Posted by CosmosMpower

Might want to rephrase this:

"Class 1/1R is for engines under 2.3 liters, except Honda S2000 and Lotus
Elise/Exige."

Fixed.
02-25-2009, 09:21 AM
sammm

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Originally Posted by goofygrin

How many runs do you typically get at an event like this?

The plan is for 8. 4 morning. 4 afternoon.
02-25-2009, 09:22 AM
jrj512

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Originally Posted by goofygrin

How many runs do you typically get at an event like this?

According to the flyer...

8 Runs --four in the AM and four in the PM!
02-25-2009, 09:34 AM
goofygrin

Ha I didn't read the flyer... guess that's what I get lol.

Thanks! Seems like a steal for the price!
02-25-2009, 10:31 AM
Robert

jrj512 I think we need to put that S2000 is a street tire S2000 class no R-comp tires.
02-25-2009, 10:39 AM
cone-cerned

I'm in.
02-25-2009, 11:01 AM
jrj512

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Originally Posted by Robert

jrj512 I think we need to put that S2000 is a street tire S2000 class no R-comp tires.

As stated in the rules, any S2000 with R-comps (<140 tread wear) go into class 2R.
02-25-2009, 11:07 AM
goofygrin

Signed up, wheee!
02-25-2009, 11:33 AM
sammm

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Originally Posted by cone-cerned

I'm in.

+1 :burnrubr:
02-25-2009, 01:06 PM
Keifersmith

me too

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Originally Posted by sammm

+1 :burnrubr:

+2
02-25-2009, 01:51 PM
Robert

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Originally Posted by jrj512

As stated in the rules, any S2000 with R-comps (<140 tread wear) go into class 2R.

Rules, who reads the rules.;)
02-25-2009, 05:12 PM
ken o

Does the FI rule apply if it is factory?

Would a 1.6L Mini turbo be in class 2/2R or 1/1R?
If it is 2/2R I think you're an ass clown. Wait, I already thought that. I think you are King of the Ass Clowns and your mother is one too.

Regards.
02-25-2009, 05:16 PM
goofygrin

^I like his thinking. The Evo would be in 1/1R too ;)

(It would still be driven by me, so I won't win either way)
02-25-2009, 05:20 PM
jrj512

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Originally Posted by ken o

Does the FI rule apply if it is factory?

Would a 1.6L Mini turbo be in class 2/2R or 1/1R?
If it is 2/2R I think you're an ass clown. Wait, I already thought that. I think you are King of the Ass Clowns and your mother is one too.

Regards.

3R for you.

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Originally Posted by goofygrin

^I like his thinking. The Evo would be in 1/1R too ;)

(It would still be driven by me, so I won't win either way)

Ditto.

::BaHump::
02-25-2009, 05:40 PM
autoxmax

That's some strange classing!

So, my stock Porsche 924S with a 2.5 Liter engine (E-Stock classed car in SCCA) get's classed with a Honda S2000 (an A-Stock classed car in SCCA).

Hmmmmm??::Hmm::
02-25-2009, 06:20 PM
jrj512

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Originally Posted by autoxmax

That's some strange classing!

So, my stock Porsche 924S with a 2.5 Liter engine (E-Stock classed car in SCCA) get's classed with a Honda S2000 (an A-Stock classed car in SCCA).

Hmmmmm??::Hmm::

Sorry, man, but that's life. We did the best we could while still keeping it simple. I do not want to get into complicated classes like SCCA's classes. Those classes turn off a lot of people who have performed minor mods to their cars and end up in a Prepared or Modified class. Our classing system is based on a mixture of the old S2000 classes (you would be in Other or Other R with anything that is not a Miata or S2000) and the Lone Star BMW CCA classes (you would be in class Y).
02-25-2009, 07:28 PM
POS Racing

Quote:

Originally Posted by ken o

Does the FI rule apply if it is factory?

Would a 1.6L Mini turbo be in class 2/2R or 1/1R?
If it is 2/2R I think you're an ass clown. Wait, I already thought that. I think you are King of the Ass Clowns and your mother is one too.

Regards.

Best post EVAR ken o!! ::Banana::

I'm in!
02-25-2009, 07:31 PM
ken o

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Originally Posted by jrj512

3R for you.

Ditto.

::BaHump::

Ok now you have reached the level of Douche Clown.
02-25-2009, 11:50 PM
cone-cerned

Do Douche Clowns ride in Douche canoes?
02-26-2009, 06:58 AM
ken o

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Originally Posted by cone-cerned

Do Douche Clowns ride in Douche canoes?

No. A white Miata with blue stripes.
02-26-2009, 07:01 AM
jrj512

Wow, it's tough being on top. I wonder if SoloRX7 has to go through all of this? ;)
02-26-2009, 08:23 AM
Brad

I will be there
02-26-2009, 09:36 AM
onething

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Originally Posted by jrj512

Wow, it's tough being on top. I wonder if SoloRX7 has to go through all of this? ;)

You've never been to a board meeting? Yes he does - you should hire him as your mentor. We'll bring in the pro's when you think you're ready to say, "Shut up or leave. Your choice."
02-26-2009, 11:05 AM
sammm

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Originally Posted by onething

ready to say, "Shut up or leave. Your choice."

Please let me know when you need that guy. :rolleyes:
02-26-2009, 11:15 AM
SirHustlerEsq

lots of douche-baggery in here.
02-26-2009, 03:50 PM
jrj512

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I noticed that all of the turns in my course were left, so I reversed the direction on the inner loop so you have right turns for the sake of your right-side tires.
02-26-2009, 04:53 PM
goofygrin

oh man... that's going to be a dizzy one!
02-26-2009, 05:08 PM
autoxmax

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Originally Posted by jrj512

I noticed that all of the turns in my course were left, so I reversed the direction on the inner loop so you have right turns for the sake of your right-side tires.

Jarret, you basically have drivers choosing when to leave the "loop".

Loop + Adrenaline + 1st event for several drivers = Bad day.

Doom & Gloom! What's Mr. Safety say about this....Hal?

It'll be just a question of how many people take the "loop" too many times or .......not enough times.

Just an opinion.
02-26-2009, 05:19 PM
altiain

+1 - I know Pennington doesn't give you a lot of options, but this seems like a rather complex course, given the target audience (i.e., non-SCCA types).

Maybe you should try something a little simpler? I know there have been entertaining courses at Pennington before that didn't involve loops.
02-26-2009, 05:31 PM
goofygrin

haha... like the guy with the firebird! Or that one guy that came in the miata one time. DNFed almost every run. I thought he was going to go postal on someone. Nice guy though :)
02-26-2009, 06:08 PM
jrj512

Yep, it's a tough course -- the first time you take a right, the second time you take a left.

If you design a Pennington course without a loop, you get one of two things: complaints about the short track or complaints about only getting one car at a time on the course.

Sheesh, now I know why other clubs do not pre-post the courses. Give me a chance to succeed before you tell me I failed.
02-26-2009, 07:11 PM
autocrosspicturesnet

Quote:

Originally Posted by jrj512

If you design a Pennington course without a loop, you get one of two things: complaints about the short track or complaints about only getting one car at a time on the course.

No loop, simple to follow for the newbs, resonable length and everyone I talked to liked it.

http://www.autocrosspictures.net/ima...inal_lines.jpg
02-26-2009, 07:26 PM
onething

I couldn't even decide which way to go. Back to the original is my vote.
02-26-2009, 07:30 PM
jrj512

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Originally Posted by autocrosspicturesnet

No loop, simple to follow for the newbs, resonable length and everyone I talked to liked it.

Yep, but too bad it does not meet SCCA safety requirements. You need 75' between paths where two cars could converge. I tried to push that envelope before at an SCCA event and Hal made me change it. I would expect him to do the same for an NTAXS event, too. That is not to say that your course is not safe, but it just does not meet our safety rules.

You all act as if this is the first course at Pennington with a loop. My very first autocross event was at Pennington on a looping course. Yes, I DNF'd three of my five runs, but it was not because I messed up the loop -- I kept getting lost up near Central Dr. And it was raining. And it was all up hill. Okay, maybe not the last part.

The course is the course.
02-26-2009, 09:21 PM
S.F. Maxcy

As I am doing the novice walk through, I will make sure that all the novices know allllll about the loop. I would think the rest of us could figure it out...If not, tag along in the back of the novice walk though pack....I won't tell a soul. ;)

Good course Jarrett!:burnrubr:
02-27-2009, 09:10 AM
goofygrin

Hey, I just read the rules and I wanted to verify something since I've never been to a NTAXS/S2k autox before.

It sounds like you "hotlap," not returning to grid after each run. There will be a place to cool down your tires & intercooler right? (it sounded like there would be in the rules, but I just wanted to make sure).
02-27-2009, 09:25 AM
Titus

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Originally Posted by goofygrin

Hey, I just read the rules and I wanted to verify something since I've never been to a NTAXS/S2k autox before.

It sounds like you "hotlap," not returning to grid after each run. There will be a place to cool down your tires & intercooler right? (it sounded like there would be in the rules, but I just wanted to make sure).

They usually have cars in groups of 5-10 running the course, so after you finish your run, you get back in line and are back out there in under 5 minutes. They have an area for you to pull out of line and spray your tires if needed. I had run 4 or 5 of their events and never seen any other format. I got slapped around pretty good when I tried that at my first ER event.

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