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Besides the ~$100 price difference, what are the pros of going with the FM springs versus the RB race springs?
Ride difference?
I see where the FM site mentions that the rear springs are rated at 228lbs and the RBs are 122lbs... what does that translate to? Does this mean the FM's will keep me off the rear bumpstops?
The fronts are FM - 342lbs vs. the RBs - 226lbs...
I have the FMs, so you should drive mine (once it gets back together :? ). I had to cut half of the bump stop off to prevent spending all my time on them, but even now I do hit them now and again. FM sells the rear shock mounts (more $$$) that are supposed to keep you off the bumps for good, but I don't have them.
The rear shock mounts are another $250 or so... :shock:
The RB springs are too frickin' soft. You'll probably need the rear mounts with either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Treibenschnell
Tell me about it... I had an order in for the springs, shocks, sways, rotors, and pads when they said the shock mounts were weeks away. I called Tammy before they had released the price and told her to add them to my order, and ship it all together. she said "OK... that will take your order from $1160 to $1410." I picked the phone back up off the ground and told her never mind. :roll:Quote:
Originally Posted by Treibenschnell
go with tein s-tech, softer than FM but way stiffer than RB and only $114 plus shipping. mine were a tad under 140 shipped.
Still too soft. Bean needs the stiff stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by fwMiata
237 front and 167 rear. and a more streetable ride height, just a suggestion.
Definately(sp.) FM springs. The RB are too soft. Do a search on the pointy board. I have done the same search and you could read for days. But as for the abridged version........FM :wink:
Monkey
I had the same question, it says you dont need the bumpstops on a NB cuase the factory left an extra inch of travel...is this true if I go with the FM springs on my 99?
Majik and I agree that there's "enough" travel on the NBs with the FM springs. I don't think there's enough travel with the Tein-S or Racing Beat springs that provide the same ride height with a softer spring.Quote:
Originally Posted by Billy Blaze
You need the bump stops, you dont need to CUT them. But like TC said there is no riding on the bump stops with these springs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Billy Blaze
I thought 3bean would just remove the heavy suspension components altogether and run the car on the bump stops. :?
S.
Ooops! Thanks for reading more carefully than I did, Majik... Yeah... You definitely need the bumpstops. Without them, you'd definitely risk shaving weight off the fender liner and potentially smacking an A-arm, endlink or worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Majik
You'd think, no? 8)Quote:
Originally Posted by srivendel
You'd be suprised just how much time a stock NB spends riding "on" the bumpstops... let alone a lowered one. :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Majik
Don't forget that Mazda designed the suspension of the NA & NB to incorporate the bumpstops as a poor man's rising rate helper spring. What you guys are referring to as "riding on the bumpstops" would be more accurately described as "fully compressing the bumpstops and bottoming out all available suspension travel".
We now return you to your regularly scheduled discussion. :mrgreen:
hhmm not sure I will buy through that company since they lie and say that a 99 does not need bumpstops with their kit.
Or I could just buy the bumpstops which sounds like I will need to do anyhow, but its hard to have confidence in a company that says I dont need them and you guys say I do.
Maybe I will look at another site, any suggestions?
maybe
Good-win?
I've got the FM springs on my '97, and I'm on the bumpstops way too often, especially when I have a passenger, and anything in the trunk. I'll spluge (sometime in the future) for the shock mounts, just to get an extra inch of travel. My wife hates this car because of the ride.
This is true... a passenger does cause many more bumpstop meetings. :roll:Quote:
Originally Posted by TurboDuane
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Originally Posted by Billy Blaze
Bumpstops are already on the car. You do not need to trim them, because there is more travel in the 99+ cars than 90-97 cars. You dont need to buy new. Just take them off the old shocks and put them on the new.
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Originally Posted by altiain
Yeah yeah, thanks. That is too much to type out everytime. Basically you dont break your back everytime the car hits a bump.
I know the discussion is over FM and RB, but I have a set of Eibachs that I just took off of Sunny. They're great at the Ranch, but too stiff for the 'ole bumpy country roads that we have to drive every day ;) offer?
Merv
Just an FYI: There are 2 sets of FMs, 2 sets of Eibachs, and a set of RB Streets on the Miata.net classifieds.
Are you gonna make me drive all the way out there again!?? :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by MadMerv
I won't make you do anything.....or......you could walk ;) At least you know where I am!Quote:
Originally Posted by Treibenschnell
Merv
Sweet! PM sent! :twisted:Quote:
Originally Posted by MadMerv
I think there is a misunderstanding, what I meant to say and was trying to say is that the FM springs site says that the NB does not need an aftermarket upgrade from the OEM equipment (bumpstops) to handle the FM springs without bottoming out since the factory left an extra inch of suspention travel in the NB's.
I was thinking of the FM stage 1 setup.
adding sways later since from what I have read I will most likely need to get stonger sway bar clips and end link bushings since I will be lowering the car by putting on the FM kit.
p.s.
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Like I said... Majik and I agree. I think I'm on the bumpstops less now than I was with the stock (overly soft) springs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Billy Blaze
If you're over my way, give me a buzz and you can take a ride in my car. Mine's an '02, but the suspension bits are the same in both cars.
Kewl, so you didn't upgrade your OEM bumpstops?
If I wanted to do so for added assurance where could I get a set since they are not avalable through FM for 99's.
I had planned on getting a new set of the OEM's even if I didn't upgrade just so I dont have to go in and do it later, in the near future.
:scratch: You dont need to "upgrade" bump stops. Especially on M2s. They arent really a wear item, so I wouldnt say they would add assurance. Any mazda dealer would have them though. Check miata.net for some of the cheaper dealers in the nation. I would recommend against it though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Billy Blaze
P.S. "Upgrading" the bumpstops on a 90-97 usually involves just cutting some of the bump stop off.
ok thanks, sometimes its a bit hard to understand what is being said here.
so forgive my ignorance. I just didnt want to cause another problem by making my suspension tighter and lower.
I understand it can be a bit confusing.
I found this web page actually it was the first hit from a google search of "cut the bump stops" keep in mind this is NOT for a 99, but it will give you an idea what they do and why. The reason we dont have to cut them is because of the extra travel mazda built in on 99+ cars.
Thanks Majik, I have a better understanding of it all now.
I assume I will still need the end link bushiings though and stronger endclips for the sway bars if I lower the car with the FM springs, since I do tend to drive aggressive at times.
I have heard that the end link bushings help keep the bars flatter? and the end clips need to be stronger with more horsepower to keep from shearing them in half.
Its a lot to absorb, I have done a lot of reading to try and figure first what I want to do with my car and what I want out of it.
I have a pretty solid plan of action now, even though I most likely will never Auto X it, I will most likely drive it that way on the street and also open track it at some time.
I dont know about that stuff, I dont have aftermarket sways, but I bet altiain and some of the others do.