Pick one...
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The deuce
I'm not super excited about the gill grill on the newer one, but I think the enhancements to the second gen may be worth it if you are going to ax/track it. Otherwise the first gen is more reserved inside and out.
#3 bmw m3! ;-)
Me neither. It probably is a better car than the first gen, but I'm having trouble getting past those funky body lines andQuote:
Originally Posted by MoonieGT
giant hood scoop. The 1st gen is much more of a sleeper hot hatch.
You first.Quote:
Originally Posted by POS Racing
I test drove a 2012 Speed3 when I was shopping a year ago. It drove around town fine at slow speeds with no torque steer. The first time I gave it the business I had one hand on the wheel and one on the shifter as I had just downshifted... Mistake. The wheel cranked hard and violently to the side. Caught me off guard as there had been no hint of that while taking it easy. The result of that test drive is that I'm now a happy owner of a 2012 WRX hatch. It cost a bit more than the 3, but I like everything about it more. No torque steer, love the seats, love the power, love the utility. I can put both car seats in the back and still have plenty of space for me and the commander (wife). I'd recommend a test drive. YMMV
#1 is more stealthy. The cop (and everyone else) has to look twice to see that it's not the stock version. It doesn't scream mid-life crisis quite as much.
Also, in the later models, they use the ECU to tune down the torque steer by limiting the HP to 150 when the steering angle is more than 3 degrees off center. (source either a Car and Driver or Motor Trend review).
Don't fear the torque steer, it's much more fun to get used to a car with too much power than not enough.
Agreed!Quote:
Originally Posted by EricJ
FWD FTL. But #2, newer more refined version.
More refined? Have you seen the interior of a 2nd gen MS3?Quote:
Originally Posted by CosmosMpower
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The exterior of the 2nd gen MS3 is tough to stomach, but the interior is even worse, imho. That "magma cloth" or whatever they call it is hideous, and the quality of the interior plastics certainly didn't improve from gen 1 to gen 2.
Drivetrain refinements be damned, the 1st gen MS3 is a much better looking car both inside and out. That's what I'd pick, preferably in white or Metropolitan Mica with the GT package (sunroof, HIDs, etc.)
Agreed! SWMBO warned me no white this time! ;) The cosmic blue sparkly mica fajizzle has really grown on me.Quote:
Originally Posted by altiain
^That's it! Yours?
That would be too weird. I'll PM you the VIN.
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Originally Posted by altiain
I wasn't talking about the interior, moreso the drivetrain and suspension..
Not sure if you're shopping new or used. How about this:
http://dallas.craigslist.org/ndf/cto/3602468950.html
^Not bad...but no hatch and high miles for an '09. I don't need/want the giant hood scoop either.
Mazda did not offer a sunroof on the MS3, too much weight, too high.Quote:
Originally Posted by altiain
I hate that front end:
http://www.carreviewandnews.com/wp-c...59-950x633.jpg
Agreed...it's a love it or hate it thang.Quote:
Originally Posted by Davidss
BMW 335i
Definitely gen 1. Replace the rear motor mount and call it good.
Given the choice, I'd highly recommend the Cobb short throw shifter, as well. Higher rate springs and a stiffer rear sway bar are also nice improvements.
Think I saw a white ms3 on craigslist at some dealership on 820. Listing was from last week if I'm not mistaken.
Aren't you a Stock class kinda guy?
Keep the Miata/Ford/MX%
Drive the truck to work.
Truck is a low-miles collectible. Using it as a daily would totally ruin the value.
^Exactly! My original owner `97 F150 Flareside with 44k miles.
How does a 16 year old F150 have any collector value? Don't they make like a million of them a year?
You have no soul, you wouldn't understand.Quote:
Originally Posted by altiain
A low mileage 16 year old F150 is a huge draw for the undocumented crowd! :thumrigh:Quote:
Originally Posted by altiain
Don't forget us "extremely cheap bastards".Quote:
Originally Posted by POS Racing
I'd get the cheaper one...I think. All I know is they both get RX8 wheels.
Screw it, I voted #2 because my mother never loved me.