Short-barrel home-defense shotguns are absurdly scarce right now, and I'm not interested in an $800 paperweight. An inexpensive long barrel shotgun can be legally sawn-off to >18.5", which also eliminates any choke.
Discuss.
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Short-barrel home-defense shotguns are absurdly scarce right now, and I'm not interested in an $800 paperweight. An inexpensive long barrel shotgun can be legally sawn-off to >18.5", which also eliminates any choke.
Discuss.
How paranoid are you? Didn't you just put in an alarm? IIRC ya got a decent size dog as well.
If I were you I'd pay the vig before you need to be concerned about a home invasion.
Two decent sized dogs. And a cat with a very poor attitude. And an SKS, but that is not really the proper tool...
It sounds like he's a bit concerned about the Lake Highlands rapist. He is new to area so it's understandable.
Plenty of cheap home defense cylinder bore shotguns out there for around 200ish. It's one of he few things that isn't scarce currently.
Ah I didn't think he was normally that paranoid.Quote:
Originally Posted by motorollow
SWMBO is the person who needs reassurance. If a big hunk of steel will achieve that, perfect. The fact that we are miles away, in a nice neighborhood, with 2 large dogs, an alarm system and a paid DPD patrol in the neighborhood is beside the point. We used to live in downtown Baltimore, with an insane crime level just blocks away, but she is a mother now. Those of you who have figured out how to change a woman's mind about something they believe strongly may speak up at this point. ::Cricket:
You think, but try locating one that is actually in a store right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by wizzurp
There were several in academy Plano/McKinney the last few times I went. Same with cabelas in Allen. Get on texashuntingforum.com as well, I see tons of 870's, 500's, 88's, etc.
Well how about the angle of the dangers of having a shotgun in the house with a kid - http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...ead-in-nc?lite
BTW. I have a non-sawn off shotgun in the house haven't needed it almost 20 years. YMMV I have scared a kid or 2 with it but other than that it has been silent.
Onething I need to give it to you for it's 5 year service! ;-)
I am sure OZMDD is much more gun safety conscious than the yahoo in NC that shot his son in the head while cleaning it.Quote:
Originally Posted by POS Racing
Remington 870
I Agree. But does OZMDD's kid or wife have the same level of gun consciousness?Quote:
Originally Posted by motorollow
I've got a mossberg maverick 88 and its great. I got it at academy for $189. They have the long barrel version and a short barrel. Pick up the long if you can't find the short an just pick up the short barrel for it. You can also use parts from the mossberg 500 on it as well.
+1 on the maverick 88. ill buy the 28" barrel off you if you went that route. i have the 18.5", but want a longer barrel to swap out on skeet days.
make sure you shoot it alot to get used to it. a shotgun can be clumsy in a stressfull situation as i found out one night.
Thx all. I'm with you Mick, but I'm going to play to the house on this one. In a month or two it can go into the safe where it belongs, but she is way to stressed about the current situation for me to care about $200.
Care to tell?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jiggerachi
Woke up to a huge crash at 3am, sounded like glass breaking. Half asleep and freaked out I jumped out of bed, grabbed the shotgun & racked the action. Went around the house to check it out, fumbled around with a flashlight but had both hands on the shotgun, each door was a chore to open. The wind had blown something over against the window outside or something like that. Got back in the room, unchambered, then I realized I had short stroked the action and didn't chamber a round at all. I was carrying a useless weapon that I thought was loaded. Bad, bad situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jwett9
I had shot skeet many times, but with a single shot. Pump action was somewhat new to me. More experience would have made this a complete non issue, and some form of training myself to maneuver a house with a shotgun would have helped out alot.
I've shot it alot more since then, but it sits in the safe at night. I decided on a pistol for a night stand gun, next time I woke up to check out what the dogs were barking about I grabbed the pistol & flashlight, casually walked around with ease. Much easier for me, but then I shoot pistols more and am plenty comfortable with them.
Then there's the over penetration of pistol calibers argument and all that(same for buckshot). Whatever you decide, get comfortable with it *indoors* or it might be more dangerous/hassle than it's worth. And if you're not comfortable with a shotgun a baseball bat is cheaper and effective. My 60y/o coworker who lives in Oak Cliff put an armed burgler on a stretcher with one a few years ago.
Also I have read about people having good luck with the NEF Pardner Pump. It's apparently a knock off of the Remington 870 and is cheaper than the maverick 88 and is reliable. Saw it off at 18.5".
No idea if you can find them in stores lately though.
Edit, it's also under brand name H&R.
Just get an AR with some frangible ammo. 30 rounds, tons of firepower, much less recoil than a shotgun and won't over penetrate like most handgun and even 00 buckshot. You could also look at a Taurus Judge revolver. It shoots 45 long colt and also some smaller shotgun shells. Easy to handle and maneuver around the house as well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRlry5KH6I0
I keep a few different options locked and loaded around the house. No shotgun yet though.
The absolute most important thing is that whatever you choose make sure everyone in the house that would potentially use it in a self/home defense situation goes out and practices with it regularly. With a shotgun you still have to be fairly accurate even with buckshot at short distances as the spread is more or less still only the size of a baseball so you can't just pray and spray.
Go to bullet trap in Plano, full wall of shotguns and AR's.Quote:
Originally Posted by OZMDD
Thx.
Also while you're over at BT go to Gun Gear to Go it's at parker/75. Prices a bit higher but also have good selection usually. Kel-Tec makes an awesome short tactical shotgun with 2 loading tubes so you can select between two types of ammo. It's pricey though at 1K+Quote:
Originally Posted by OZMDD
In for updates.... and info....
We live a bit north of you, and my wife has had similar concerns. In fact, over the summer, someone attempted to kick in her boss's door (lives in the Lake Highlands Moss Farms area). Her boss has a pistol and yelled out "I have a gun, and I will shoot you". Needless to say the perp left. When the police arrived, apparently the outdoor security lights had been unscrewed and the neighbors house had been burglarized.
In discussion with my wife, I think a shotgun would be the safest to use, and the best deterrent. Everyone knows the sound of a shotgun racking. A pistol is harder to aim and shoot in my opinion. However, with a shotgun in the house you are really doing something wrong if you miss.
I disagree, in close quarters a shotgun is longer, heavier and harder to aim/get down hallways with. Also at 3-5 yards (average size of a medium size room in a house) the spread of buckshot just isn't that big.Quote:
Originally Posted by sxk122
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKk45i9DzDA
The shotgun probably requires more "practice" to move through your house with due to the barrel length, but there's no arguing that ANYTHING coming out of the barrel will have a greater deterrent effect on whatever it hits. It is much easier to choose a load in the shotgun that will NOT penetrate exterior walls if you miss, as well, which is an important consideration in urban areas.
Slugs are generally a really bad idea as they will penetrate many interior walls and likely an exterior wall, birdshot has been proven ineffective in stopping the thread which leaves the various buckshot options, most of which are good. The thing is even buckshot will penetrate interior drywall so there's still a chance of hitting someone in the next room. Most rounds that will do enough damage to be effective (16-20" of human penetration) will go through a few panels of drywall unfortunately.Quote:
Originally Posted by tailchaser
Academy on Forest got a shipment of the Mossberg Maverick 88's (12ga, 18.5" unchoked). For $180, its a solid deal and she actually thought it fit her pretty well (better than several other brands we looked at) even before we order an adjustable folding stock for it. Reasonably light, 6+1, easy to rack, safety is simple for a lefty.
For those who don't want a handgun or AR, this is an easy option. Best of all, my background check came back "clear" in only 5 min!
Just remember to pull the plug out so you can load 6. ;)
I find that very hard to believe! ;-)Quote:
Originally Posted by OZMDD
Can't you load a combination of birdshot and buckshot? I read that bird shot is actually preferred in this type of situation. Maybe the first three rounds are birdshot, and the next three are buckshot if you need to "dig that deep"...
dowel is removed. :)
I'm going with bird, buck, slug, buck, slug, buck.
I used to do "cut shells" many years ago to make what is essentially a frangible slug out of buckshot, with less penetration. Might try that again instead of actual slugs.
Yikes, bird will just piss them off and leave some ugly scars and slug will make a giant mess of them or a giant mess of someone in the next 4 rooms if you miss. Frangible ammo is a good idea for HD.
Nice pickup on the shotgun though!
What Cosmos said... There are some studies on buck shot and drywall if you're concerned. As far as slugs... It's already been said.
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But bird shot doesn't work against people.
Yes... it's a little better than this at truly close range, but any buck shot is better...
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=01a_1338766499
DON'T COME CRYING TO ME THAT I DIDN'T WARN YOU.
Fortunately, our floorplan should minimize the risk of drywall penetration where the kiddo sleeps. I Just went to the indoor range near me and put several different rounds through it. Great gun, and aims reasonably well at 30 ft, especially considering how long its been since I shot.
Get a chainsaw. Fire it up when someone breaks in and yell 'FRESH MEAT"!!!
You're thinking of zombies.Quote:
Originally Posted by ken o
Rapist Zombies??
Makes me glad to live on the West-side!
In Allen we have Hipster Rapist Zombies.