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I ran out to a customer in Wills Point, Texas yesterday for a meeting and stoped buy a couple others on my return to Ft. Worth. The POS support vehicle ('03 Ford Expedition) scored 16.1 mpg on the trip, and it used about $40.00 worth of gas for this little trip! I still have 1 more year on the lease on this thing! :cry:
Maybe I need to find a nice used VW TDi for running around and park the SUV.......
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16?
I've not hit 16 yet in the Urban assault tank. Usually 10-12, with a record of 14 on a trip to college station.
And do you knwo how much it costs to fill up a 42 gallon gas tank??? I feel your pain.
and the neighbors wonder why it sits in one spot all the time.
It was having an exceptional day.. :cry: Wind must have been at it's back! :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by rx7gslse
16's not too bad for that massive beast. Probably one of the biggest factors in me not owning a V8 SUV is the crappy gas mileage. The P5 gets 24mpg around town (about the same as the '02 miata) which isnt great, but it keeps me from having to buy stock in exxon/mobile :)
Yeesh. That kind of gas mileage, along with the rise in fuel prices, has got me rethinking buying an SUV as the next OTM. As much as I'd like to have something to tow the Miata to long distance events, I don't think I'd be happy with a 15mpg daily driver, with regular unleaded creeping past $1.70/gallon.
Makes me incredibly glad I got rid of the FD - 10mpg on super unleaded premixed 40:1 with 2-stroke oil just wasn't worth the hassle. :roll:
Just another reason why my truck spends most of its life in the garage (16 mpg) and the Miata is my daily driver (26 mpg). YMMV. :wink:
I just traded my P5 for the tank.. HJopefully the gas per month will end up less than I was paying on the car payment....
SUV's aren't a brilliant idea as far as daily drivers go, but they are nice to have around the few times when you need them. It sure made easy work of getting a rollbar to the paint shop the other day, still in the monsterous box it came in.
and try towing a skiboat with a miata :eek:
Although.. I did get 27mpg out of teh last tank of gas from the MSM... better than sticker?
My buddy tows his gyro-copter with his M5... not bad if you ask me!
Sheesh... and I was complaining about 21mpg from my wife's Grand Cherokee...
Cheby full size extended cab, 5.3 liter returns the following:
15-16 mpg mostly city, foot in it too much, trailer, or ac
17 mpg my regular mixed driving
18 mpg all hwy
I just don't look at the pump when I fill up now. I want to get the wife a hybrid SUV like the new Lexus or Toyota Highlander thats coming out for our next car. I think a hybrid Accord is also on the way.
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This was my '00 Expedition and the "original' POS Racer! 8)
The last Expedition I had did a lot better on gas than this one, of course the window sticker stuff for mileage was the same on the '00 as the '03, but looks like someone at ford forgot to carry the one when they figured the '03 mileage.... :shock:
I almost was killed by a Ford last week when the jackass driver decided that parking his monster at the door at Lowe's wasn't close enough....
Sheesh... just promise me you look three times before moving that beast! :roll:
Quite you can't you see I'm talking on my celll phone! :twisted:Quote:
Originally Posted by Treibenschnell
If I bought a big truck or SUV, I would definatly go diesel. Better gas mileage, stump pulling torque, relability (even for a domestic), and upgradability of the boost. MMMMboost
That or get a used Tacoma or Tundra. Helping my brother look at a 97 v6 4X4 5spd with offroading goodies for 8K.
Chris
Other than VW " Two Rag” or a Ford "Excretion" there really aren't any diesels SUV’s available yet......Quote:
Originally Posted by Miatamaniac92
I have already had a couple PU's in my vehicle ownership days and I really don't want another one.
I miss my truck when I make those big hauls from Lowe's.... otherwise, no dice.Quote:
Originally Posted by POS Racing
the the diesel VW is pushing 60k!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by POS Racing
Diesel has its advantages, but it also has a much higher entry fee... And if you're in the market for well used vehicles (like I was) the older diesel technology just wans't that great. It got a little better mileage and had some extra torque, but the longevity wasn't any better than a standard gasoline motor, they just cost 4x more to replace....
I like my 350 :D But I could go for a powerstroke...
HOLY COW!
Someone get rx7glse sober or a spell checker!
:drunken:
The solution is a 1979 Ford 15 passenger van with a 460 that runs only on 1000 octane.
1. Fuel is still cheaper than car payments
2. Nobody wants to steal it, therefore
3. Insurance is cheap
4. No problem finding a parking place - at the far end of the lot
5. Nobody cuts you off on the freeway
6. Almost nobody wants to borrow it to move their stuff
7. Did I mention no payments and it can double as an RV???
I'm not a member of Team CB - I'm their Daddy
Just wait until I have been drinkin'! :hiccup:Quote:
Originally Posted by channelmaniac
At least he spelled "the" correctly this time... :PQuote:
Originally Posted by channelmaniac
There's a reason they call vans like this "molester vans". :PQuote:
Originally Posted by onething
bugga...Quote:
Originally Posted by POS Racing
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Hmmm... I think I last put fuel in the support wagon on the way back from Houston... Trip odo says 621 and I'm just below the 1/4 tank mark... I'm guessing this is another 52+mpg tank. In another week or so, I'll have to put in 16 gallons or so. Darn diesel is all the way up to $1.519, too...
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Am I the only one thinking that's not too bad considering I only get about 22 mpg in my Miata? I mean, that Expedition can hold 6 people and 400 tons of crap, weighs 2.5 times what my Miata weighs, can pull a tree out of the ground with the torque it produces, and will devastate my car in a crash while its own passengers might spill their coffee. And it's getting only about 6 miles-per-gallon less than my little car?Quote:
Originally Posted by POS Racing
Sorry POS, but I'm not gonna cry you a river on that one...
You make a good point but just this week alone I've put $87.00 worth of gas in the 'spedition! :cry:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kestrel
I really haven't closely monitor the 1,257 gallons of gas I put in it since got it in Novemebr of 2002, but its average over the past 53 fillups has been 14.12815922 mpg.*
* The POS racer has kept the number of fillups low since I do use on average a couple days a week instead of running the Expedition. :wink:
The Miata gets the mileage it does primarily because of two reasons: first, the gearing is low. Second, it's only slightly more aerodynamic than a brick. The first is the price you pay for decent acceleration, especially at highway speeds, and the second is the price you pay for having a top you can fold down with one hand.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kestrel
Still, I'm now averaging about 24mpg (up a couple of mpg now that I've got 69k miles on this motor compared to when I had 30k miles on it) on craptacular 87 octane, and I even averaged about 23mpg towing the trailer back from the Tour at decidedly extra-legal speeds. By comparison, my 2.2L VTEC Prelude averaged about 19mpg (on premium), and the FD RX-7 got 10-12mpg on premium premixed 40:1 wth 2-stroke motor oil... when it ran. :?
My experience is that among typical sports/sporty cars, the Miata gets pretty good fuel economy.
Big motors with lots of low-end torque can allow for really tall cruising gears and wonderful highway fuel mileage. That's why Corvettes & F-bodys return over 30mpg freeway (with a really, really tall 6th gear), but only get mid teens around town.
That and the automatics skip gears from what I've heard.Quote:
Originally Posted by altiain
Chris
I don't beleive the auto's do, but the manuals do..
if you're not in the throttle much it will mechanically force you do go from 1st to 4th instead of 2nd.
Don't mistake me (and I don't think you are)... I don't have any problem with the fuel economy of my Miata. Heck, I have my foot in it pretty hard (well, not as hard as some :wink: ) almost all the time. 22 mpg is fine with me. I just don't thing the SUV crowd needs to beat themselves up for "only" getting mid to upper teens. Considering all the extra weight -- and room -- that they have, a 6 mpg difference doesn't seem that bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by altiain
But I'll keep my brick. :)
I bet it adds up though. BTW I only get 22 MPG also, thats with the turbo. The least I get is 20 MPG in the city.
I wanna get a piggy back, decrease my fueling and shoot for 26- 28 MPG.
Chris
My 2004 Chevy Colorado extended cab Z71 does pretty well. It has a 5 (yes 5) cylinder in line engine, 3.5 litres worth. 220 hp, and the sticker says 18 city, 24 highway. My mixed tanks have been 19+ mpg, and I ran to Austin and back and got 22 mpg. It doesn't even have 2000 miles yet and isn't even broken in. Pretty decent I think. This is better than my previous Ford Ranger 3.0 liter v6, which averaged 17 mpg and only had 150 hp and was smaller.
I'm waiting for some new turbo-diesel trucks or SUV's to come out before I consider buying anything else.
I drive the 92 Miata 1.6 much more though, and probably average 26-27 mpg's, driving like an idiot.
Yeah, I'm a little disappointed that Ford decided not to follow through with offering a turbo-diesel version of the new F-150. I'd love ot see that, or a turbo-diesel Explorer. I don't need anything larger than that.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigDstars
Don't expect turbo-diesel anything under 6,000 pounds that doesn't say VW until 2006 when the US market diesel fuel cleans up its act...
Once that happens, all the nifty-clean Euro market motors will be easily adaptable to US market vehicles. Now... Personally, I'm hoping for the BMW 530d (or however they label it...)
Isn't Mercedes putting a diesel engine in the Jeep Liberty this year???Quote:
Originally Posted by tailchaser
Ford has made noise about putting a diesel in the Expedition, but I have a feeling they are holding back until they come up with an engine that doesn’t sound like a mariachi band on crack. I had the displeasure of riding in an F-250 diesel last week you couldn’t hear anything in it but that power stroke diesel! :roll:
I think there would be huge response to 1/2 ton or light duty diesel pickup or SUV
The Jeep Liberty is the one I had been hearing about, even though that's not my favorite SUV... I had also read about the US diesel not being up to par with Euro diesel. Kudo's to VW for their tdi engines. The Passat is supposed get a slightly larger TDI than what's in the Jettas and bugs... I dream of 49 mpg's. Driving to Colorado in the summer on one tank..... Sorry for rambling.Quote:
Originally Posted by POS Racing
You guys Miata mileage sounds pretty low... Obviously the 1.6 engines get somewhat better mileage than the 1.8's...
yep! that's the limiter right now... Diesels only get on heavy duty vehicles because of their lack of emissions standards..Quote:
Originally Posted by tailchaser
But you're only partially correct there.. I don't kow if they're changing diesel fuel or not, but those motor are going to have to meet more stringent polution standards in 2007. I don't really expect that means you'll start seeing them in light duty vehicles, but they will most certainly become even *more* expensive on the heavy duty vehciles.
(hint, in 2005 and 2006 invest in the big truck manufacturers. they're goingto have great sales years.. then sell before the '07 stuff hits, because they're gonna TANK!)