I understand we in N.Texas are going to be getting an ethanol mix gas at the pumps pretty soon. Does anyone have any more concrete info on this?
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I understand we in N.Texas are going to be getting an ethanol mix gas at the pumps pretty soon. Does anyone have any more concrete info on this?
:confused: Aren't any of you guys worried about a 10% drop in mpg and truley crappy engine performance?
You seem to be the only one with an inside track on this, so what all do ya know???
No kidding... spill the beans!
Are you talking about the E85 stuff?
From what I found online there are only a few places in the state currently offering it, and none in N Texas.
FWIW, they don't just 'force' you to use an ethanol mix in all grades of gas.. Up in Nebraska, Iowa etc where it's common, it's on a separate pump, just like 87 and 93 octane...
Except it's a whole lot cheaper!
Didn't we go through this years ago? ::OldMan::
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Originally Posted by onething
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Originally Posted by POS Racing
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Nah... E85 is 85% Ethanol... it requires a car made to be able to handle it.Quote:
Originally Posted by rx7gslse
I think he is talking about E10 which is 10% Ethanol, and is supposed to be compatible with most cars on the road. Minnesota requires it, and several states are taking a look at it. I haven't heard any mention of Texas looking at. More Info on E10 switchovers.
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Originally Posted by onething
There was an article in USA Today about how one of the additives in gasoline was being phased out this summer and was going to be replaced by Ethanol. They expect the usual shortages and gas price spikes because of it.
RJ
That's pretty much what I had heard. An ethanol mix is definately not a performance enhancer. I understand that ethanol has a higher ignition point than the gas it's mixed with, making the mixture less "volatile". I hope that they only require that in the MetroMess, and we can still get "real" gas out in the country somewhere, nearby.Quote:
Originally Posted by channelmaniac
Way to go. Use half a tank to go down to the country to get the "real juice" and burn another half tank on the way back! ::Clown::
...or loose 10% of your HP with the funky mix...Quote:
Originally Posted by gabkwong
Not good for AX or other events!
it's not that far to the good stuff when you're at events in Mineral Wells... And it's cheaper, to boot.
Where do you get 10%??Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark52
Hey I found something relevent on the subject with Google! :D
And here are some FAQs with info on performance.Quote:
Originally Posted by POS Racing
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I have a 79 Chevy 350 engine. By using ethanol blended fuels will I decrease both the gas milage and the horse power?
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Excellent question! Our automotive expert, Allen Davenport, with Ranken Tech, confers that "you will loose very little power or gas mileage using E-10 fuel. The average loss of gas mileage with E-10 is about 2% and the power loss is not noticeable. The BTU (heat units) per gallon are very close between E-10 and straight gasoline, I seem to recall about 4,000 BTU per gallon difference which amounts to about 3%, however because of the better burn of the ethanol you gain back about 1% in efficiency".
I heard from the folks at the Gas station here in Weatherford that prices are about to go up to around $3.00 a gallon because of the Ethanol, and they will be getting it soon. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by tailchaser
Very believable... most gas price forecasters are seeing an upward trend.
Sad though.
Dallas morning news says E85 is coming to North Texas... Less scary, as it's an "option" at the pump. Kroger is the first retailer to offer it. It will carry a lower per gallon cost (which it should, since it has lower energy content).
Not likely we'll see any more than the 5-10% currently fouling our fuels mandated.
You can check HERE to see if you own a car that can run E85.Quote:
Originally Posted by tailchaser
Here is a hint: the only Mazda listed is a truck.
Not a single Honda is on the list.... No E85 for me!Quote:
Originally Posted by Titus
Nor any VW's...Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave04
Huh...I was at a Chevron station in Coppell this evening & the pump had a new sticker on it that said "This gasoline could contain up to 10% of ethanol", or something to that effect. Didnt seem to have any option other that another gas station. It bothered me, but I was about to run out of gas.
Didnt notice any difference in driving on the way home.
I was in Austin over the weekend visiting a friend of mine, and I guess they are already using E10 there and she said her mileage in her Jetta dropped to about 15-16. NOT GOOD!
:clap: Dats what I be talkin about:clap: NOT GOODQuote:
Originally Posted by Bolix
So, theoritically, we'll be paying the same for the ethanol mix as we do the regular and should be ready to expect diminished returns?
No, we'll be paying more for E10 than we do for our current gasoline due to "potential supply side shortages" (i.e., big oil's excuse for raking in even greater profits next year) of ethanol. :roll:Quote:
Originally Posted by Treibenschnell
You got the diminished returns part right, though.
Of course, this is all because we're phasing out a chemical additive in oxygenated gasoline that leaks into groundwater and causes cancer. A chemical mandated by the Clean Air Act. The air is great, just don't drink the water. :punchout:
Doesn't it just make you sick? I could pick a group of ten-year olds at random that would govern this country more effectively than our current crop of stuffed suit morons. At least they're consistent in their abject stupidity.
You've been buying fuel with 5-10% Ethanol in it for years... No change in sight unless you buy all your fuel outside the EPA target area.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark52
FYI- MTBE has been around since the 90's. It took ten years to convince the bureaucracies to remove it.Quote:
Originally Posted by altiain
anything to squeeze more dough out of us.
Any hopes of driving outta the metroplex to purchase gas without the ethenol mix?
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Originally Posted by Billy Blaze
That's my plan, at least for the Miata, which is pretty much only for autocross, now. I wonder how far we'll have to go for the real thing?
If it ignites at different rates, is there any research about how it will effect oxygen sensors and catalytic converters?
Agreed, the last thing that I'd like to hear is premature wear on O2 sensors and cats. I don't need things to cause unexpected expenditures as I am already bracing myself for the 60,000 overhaul on the Miata.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sharpie
I was at a Texaco last night and notice nice shiny new stickers on all the pumps that say "contains up to 10% Ethanol". There was also a free pamphlet inside with FAQs on ethanol.
So did the pamphlet mention the part where Ethanol (or other oxygenates) are no longer federally mandated as of 5/5/2006?Quote:
Originally Posted by Titus
I didn't say I read the phamphlet, just that it was available. ::Clown::Quote:
Originally Posted by tailchaser
All those pesky words makes his head hurt. ::Blowup::Quote:
Originally Posted by Titus
I haven't seen an decrease in mileage yet.
My bigger concern is what about 5-10-20 years from now? I have no plans of ever geting rid of my Miata. However, will I have trouble finding fuel in the far future?
I say we take up a collection, and start our own refinerary. ::Clown::Quote:
Originally Posted by black roadster