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I'm in! :thumleft:
BTW, I agree with tailchaser - if you haven't been to an S2000 autocross, you're missing out! :mrgreen:
Iain
Thank you sir! I'm registered! 8)Quote:
Originally Posted by tailchaser
The S2K events are some of the best in DFW, if you haven't tried one you just don't know what your missing!
Mick
I'm in. I expect this one to be COLD. :shaking:
My first event last year found me dressed in my artic ski gear!!!
I'm in... 8)
Can anyone tell me what time this will finish up? I have a commitment that evening. :roll:
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Originally Posted by sammm
Typical NTS2KOC events end about 3:30pm, and then they have "fun runs" for those that want to participate. However, since this is the first [full-fledged] event of the year, and they'll be using new equipment, it could mean the event will go a little long.
But just tell them you have to cut out early. Make sure you work early, and then run... depending on how early you have to leave, you may not get to run all your laps, but if you don't work, none of your laps will count. Anyway, they are very accomodating, so just let them know what's up, and I'm sure you can work it all out.
I actually want to go to the SCCA Banquet that evening, but it looks like I'll miss it :? , since I don't want to give up any time at the NTS2K event...
Ah, you'll be fine! :PQuote:
Originally Posted by sammm
What time is your "commitment"?
I'll need to be home by 4 or 5 at the latest. (Don't ask!) :?Quote:
Originally Posted by POS Racing
Ah, you'll be fine! But don't forget your cell phone just in case! :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by sammm
<-----Signed Up and ready to smoke some azenis!
Chris
Hey everyone, in case you haven't read the North Texas S2000 Owner's Club Autocross Rules / Information, here's a link. It's pretty much the same as last year with one important difference:
We no longer have a definite class for both R and non-R Miatas... we now have to meet a quota in order to be awarded any kind of year-end trophy. Boiled down it means we have to have a minimum of 5 Miatas in a class at 4 of the 5 events in order to qualify. So much for special treatment for their friends in the Miata crowd. :?Quote:
Points: The club will award points during each of the five autocrosses with a final championship being awarded at the end of the season. The cars will be divided into two classes to provide reasonable competition. The default classes are S2000 Street and S2000 Race. (The only differentiation being R-compound tire choice.)
Classification of other models will be based on attendance. A quota of at least five of a particular model is required for points to be awarded at an event. Tire choice will only be a factor if there are five each of street and race tired cars. In order for a championship to be awarded, at least 75% of the events need to meet the quota.
Think that's not a problem? Wrong again... neither Miata Class would have qualified in 2003!
Look, it's their club, and they can do what they want (actually, it's my club, since I joined at the Christmas Party :) ), but I for one am very disappointed in this apparent change of attitude with the S2000 folks. I'm sure there are solid reasons for this change (I can just here someone saying "Why should we treat those Miata guys any differently than the other non-S2000 drivers?"), but it seems pretty anit-social considering all the support we give them.
- - Event #1 4 R, 8 Non-R
- Event #2 3 R, 4 Non-R
- Event #3 7 R, 6 Non-R
- Event #4 4 R, 4 Non-R
- Event #5 4 R, 3 Non-R
Well, I suppose we control our own destiny... we just have to make sure we get enough people out to each event (BTW, at present we only have 3 R and 3 non-R Miatas signed up :( ).
And as an update, the NTS2KOC will be offering a "Full Season Pre-Pay Option" at their first event as described in this except from an eMail I received:
So if you plan to run all year, bring a little extra cash to that first event and save some money in the long run*. :wink:Quote:
At the first event only, we will be offering a 2004 "season pass". The cost for members will be $100 and $120 for non-members (buy 4 get 1 free). We are offering this in an attempt to sooner purchase a Race America digital timing display ($$$$) for your viewing pleasure! Note: You will still be required to pre-register on-line allowing us to hold your spot and to register you in the system.
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* I will admit that one of the main reasons for pre-paying SCCA and ER events is not a big deal at NTS2KOC events. Waiting in line to register at ER and SCCA events is a pain in the neck, since they can have as many as 200 drivers at an event :shock: . On the other hand, the S2000 events limit their entries to about 50 (up from 40 last year). So waiting in line is not a big deal...
Kestrel, before you get your lederhosen in a wad, you should be aware that the section of the rules you quoted are identical to last season's rules. Only difference is that last year they chose not to enforce it, because Miatas were always the second largest single make of car at any of their events. Whether they'll enforce it this year remains to be seen, but I'd wager that they'll continue with the status quo, with an average of over 9 Miatas per event last season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kestrel
Iain
Yep Mr. Lederhosen un-wadder... Clovis on the NTS2KOC Forum just confirmed that they have already set up Miata R and Miata "non-R" classes. But I'm guessing it wouldn't have been an issue anyway -- I'll bet we will meet those written requirements anyway! Let the battle begin :D !Quote:
Originally Posted by altiain
Told ya so! :tongue:
Iain
Yep, Iain's correct. We've always had that rule, and we've always had the Miata specific classes. We just didn't want to have to give away trophies for every other single car that showed up. :)
I'm registered! See y'all there! :colors:
I am also registered. Is there a max of 40 or 50? Because I am number 46... but it let me register. So, I might see you there, might not.
Max is 50 this year... David was giving the s2000 crowd a hard time about not registering...
So far 11 Miatas! Not Bad! :afro:
http://www.dlbracing.com/nts2koc/dri...px?EventID=954
Anyone notice that Dean Yamada (who used to drive that old blue IROC Camaro) has also succumbed to the lure of the STi? :wink:
Iain
Also, I think we have a new player... there's a Toan Nguyen in a red 2001 coming out to join us. :thumrigh:
Also, there are no 2004 S2000's registered. Too bad... I'd like to see them both side-by-side, just to see the differences.
BTW, did you read in Fasttrac / Sports Car where the SEB is reclassing the S2000's to AS? If the Mazdaspeed Miata goes into BS -- which I think is where it's going -- it just might be a class killer 8) . After all, as much as the S2000 guys don't like to admit it, the current Miata is a pretty close competitor in autocross. So what I'm saying is if you classed the current Miata in BS, we'd give the 2003 class killer -- the S2000 -- a lot of trouble. Add a little boost and a little mid-level torque, and I think the MS Miata just might get the 2003 and prior S2000... which means, the MS Miata would be real contenders for the BS crown.
Fast forward to 2004. The S2000's are moved up (along with the Boxter) to AS. The MS Miata joins BS -- along with the RX8. It could be interesting... if anyone comes in to campaign a MS Miata.
If it weren't for those *#&$**#(@*#& 17 inch wheels, I'd be all over that...
A couple of problems with that. The Mazdaspeed Miata might have quite a bit more mid-range torque than a typical CS Miata, but it also sounds like it's going to weigh a good 250-300 pounds more than a competitive '99 Sport in CS trim, and it's saddled with a really weird wheel size that is going to do nothing to help it in Stock trim.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kestrel
One of the primary reasons that the C Stock Miatas are as fast as they are is because they've got decent tire sizes and relatively light weight for their power in Stock trim. The Mazdaspeed isn't going to benefit from any wider available tires, and it's got more weight and power. All the power in the world won't help you if you can't put it to the ground effectively, and the extra weight is going to be detrimental in transitions and braking.
In addition, the 350Z and the Z4 are still going to be classed in B Stock. These cars are still relatively new, but there are some people campaigning them - effectively - against the current S2000s in B Stock. Mark Sipe comes to mind (look who won the Atlanta Pro in BS and what he's driving). Give these cars a little more development time and a wider base of top-level competitors, and I think they'll be very tought to beat. These cars have more weight, but they've got more power, torque, and much wider Stock-legal tires to help them out.
I could be wrong, but I wouldn't expect the Mazdaspeed to be a class killer in B Stock. A contender, maybe, but not a class killer. Personally, I doubt that it will be much faster than a well prepped '99 Sport, Stock to Stock.
Iain
Beware the power of a turbo. :heckle: :heckle: .
Chris
Really... I'm not figuring the MS Miata going to be massively quicker, but the car wouldn't have to be much quicker to really give BS fits -- if you are comparing the MS Miata to the current class killer, the 2003- S2000. You've got a good point about the 350Z and perhaps the Z4 as well. Both are pigs (IMHO), but both have a lot more power:Quote:
Originally Posted by altiain
- - 350Z base (lightest available) 3,200lbs, 287hp 11.2 P/W ratio
- Z4 3.0 3,000lbs, 225hp 13.3 P/W ratio
- MS Miata (est) 2,550lbs (100 lbs more than current LS), 175hp 14.6 P/W ratio
- Z4 2.5 3,000lbs, 184hp 16.3 P/W ratio
That puts the MS Miata pretty much in the middle. Of course, paper calculations rarely translate into anything very useful in autocross. We'll have to see if the MS Miata on those 17" wagon wheels :x still maintains the Miata's nimbleness. I agree that this is a big problem for the car. BTW, the S2000 crowd isn't all that happy that their car has gone to 17" wheels either. Darn "bling-bling" factor. :?
Well, you're probably right, but I guess time will tell. The problem for us is that we may not see any MS Miatas at AXs anytime soon :( .
Don't forget the Mazda Factor, they are soooo good at Horsepower ratings I wound not be terribly surprised if they miss on this car also..... :roll:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kestrel
Actually I do believe rx7gslse should have his in time for a few AX's this season! So we will be able to get a good ideal on what the car is capable of doing around some cones!
So rx7gslse when is Mazda saying you should be getting your car???
LOL, yeah that would be this noob... :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Kestrel
I'll be going to my first ever autox this sunday (ER) and the s2k one will be my second one. Anyone wanna give me some advice when I'm there? :D
I'll be at both of those events as well as a couple other folks, look for us at the events!Quote:
Originally Posted by Tn
We will be the guys in the Miatas! :roll: :lol: !
We would be more than happy to help ya any way we can!
Mick
Welcome. 8)
Careful what you ask for. I wouldn't trust most of these guys for autocrossing advice. :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Tn
Iain
Never trust anyone in a green Miata. Especially if they are balding or have gray hair. :lol:
Welcome Tn! Don't feel alone. I'm a nooB too! I have only run in 1 AX, and that was last November. See ya' at the S2K event! My advice is to have fun! Once you get that first run under your belt, you'll be hooked! (I would say something about listening to the wisdom of these guys, but don't want to give them big heads!) :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tn
FANTASTIC! :D I'm glad you joined our little board and will be coming out to play.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tn
As you can probably tell from most of the "noise" on this forum, nobody here has anything useful/helpful to say :wink:, but when you get to the AX in Miserable Wells, be sure and park next to the rest of us Miata pilots. All kidding aside, we're a friendly bunch, and easy to talk with. I'd really encourage you to:
- - Walk the course with us. We'll show you what to look out for.
- Ride in the passenger seat with an experienced Miata Pilot before you go out. Any one of us would be happy to take you out. altiain is a particularly good choice, as he's an instructor at a couple of local AX and performance driving "schools". He took me around for the first time (two years ago) and scared me to death :shock: :lol: ... but it showed me what a Miata can really do.
- Have one of us ride with you on you first couple of runs. From your drivers seat, it will look like a confusing sea of cones that first time or two. I know it's a little... uncomfortable... having someone you barely know in the car with you, but it will help you get over the initial learning curve a lot faster. I can't tell you how many times we've all seen virgins... ah,er,um... noobs :wink: get lost on course. Having an experience autocrosser will help you navigate those silly orange pointy things much better!
There is a McDonalds on 180 just past the right-hander you'll make on 1198 to get to the Airpark. I typically get there around 7:00am for breakfast. You -- and anyone else that's hungry -- are welcome to join me there for a bite to eat!
Lastly, if you'd like a map to the location, I have one already drawn up in a WORD document. It's not hard to get there, but a map is always nice to have.
I'm looking forward to meeting you out there!
Kestrel
'99 Twilight Blue Mica
4cs
I'm glad to know that you guys are so willing to help. My biggest is getting lost in that sea of cones lol
See you guys there!
I am late :x The registration is closed :cry: Does anyone know there is any chance that I can come and play :?
Gab Kwong
Keep checking... a spot may open up
Tailchaser, How?
Oh... Can't check the list unless you're registered... There are 52 out of 50 signed up... I'll let you know if a spot opens.