After talking with Gary we came up with a game plan that will spread out the pain. My purchases next month will consist of the HD motor mounts and a PPF.
BTW....Gary thinks I am a closet speed freak:clap:
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After talking with Gary we came up with a game plan that will spread out the pain. My purchases next month will consist of the HD motor mounts and a PPF.
BTW....Gary thinks I am a closet speed freak:clap:
Your wife gave me "permission" standard line of crap really gets old, you want to work on a new routine??
Will she let you wear these next?
http://10001designerclothing.com/aca...uroy-pants.jpg
Yeah, I just need to spend her money and just not ask her.::Clown::
How about not telling us every single freaking time you need funding! :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tim the Teacher
Sorry...I didn't know it was offensive. I have been wanting to to do this since I bought the car and was just sharing some excitement.
Lets review.;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tim the Teacher
We are all excited for ya but less wife more parts please!Quote:
Originally Posted by POS Racing
I have to wonder about your choice of starting with the motor mounts and a PPF. These tend to be optional items that are added after the supercharger. Could it be that you are just dying to do something, and you know that these items are hidden from the boss's site? ::Clown::
Are the motor mounts and PPF necessary? I was told by Gary that these two items will give you a little peace of mind because of the strain. The car is an '03 that will probably have close to 45K on it when the install takes place. I want these purchases to be for parts that will be absolutely needed and not for something that is optional but nice to have. I can't afford what it would take to get the car up to 230rwp. I would be happy at around 200.
The OEM motor mounts are pretty weak! A few folks around here have changed them out and found the OEM's broke!
What exactly is a PPF??
The motor mounts are the Mazdaspeed ones which are supposedly stronger and here is the link to the PPF
http://www.trackdogracing.com/websit...ension.htm#ppf
Is that PPF really a must have part (especially with the way you drive)?? How big of a blower are you planning??Quote:
Originally Posted by Tim the Teacher
Yep TC added the Mazdaspeed mounts to his car cool stuff!
I changed both parts out on mine, when we took the motor mounts out one was cracked and seperating and the other was bent.
from TDR site:
"The PPF Power Kit helps the Miata power train and chassis work together for a car that is tighter, more positive, more connected. The PPF Power Kit improves Mazda Miata power train performance by strengthening weak areas and reducing unwanted movement and vibration. The PPF Power Kit controls power train pitch, yaw and roll, creating a more stable platform for power delivery to the rear wheels."
It keeps things from getting bent under torque.
I could really tell a difference in the motor mounts, with my motor running so crapy when I cranked the car in the morning I could have blended a smoothie after i got the motor mounts.
I think the PPF would be a prudent purchase as once I have the install done my driving style may change. I do push the car now on the street but not "all" the time. The plan is to purchase the "new" supercharger that Gary will have in 4-6 months. I am not sure whether it will be another BRP product or something of his own design.
It will not be a BRP product.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tim the Teacher
I don't have the PPF, and I am running on 14 year old motor mounts. When at Gary's one day, he commented that my mounts are likely dead. He then rocked my motor side to side and admitted that they seemed to be fine. I don't know if this is a difference between NA and NB mounts, but that is my experience. I am sure that I will replace them at some point, but they are down a ways on the list. I have no plans to get the PPF upgrade, as I have seen more than one 400hp+ Miatas that didn't have it and didn't see the need for it. If someone does plan on installing one on an NA Miata, I would like to help with the install to feel any before and after change. I need to see it to believe it, otherwise it is just added weight. Mazda has added a lot of various bracing to the cars through the years, but they never felt the need to touch the PPF. YMMV. ;)
Keep in mind that the 01-up has a slightly higher compression ratio so be careful of how much boost you give it... Gary will know all of this though... you might not...RJ
What about a the clutch/flywheel combo? Is the flywheel a neccesary?
From what I have read I shouldn't go any higher than 11 with a stock engine.
A lot of folks do the clutch/flywheel combo in order to go net-zero on the weight. Beefier clutches have more rotating mass than stock clutches. If you reduce the weight of the flywheel by the same amount.... well... you get the picture.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tim the Teacher
OTOH, enough clutch to handle the modest power increase you're looking for won't weigh much more than the OEM clutch, so you shouldn't need to do anything but the clutch.
Flyin Miata calls their clutch/flywheel combo the happy meal. If it is a happy meal, the clutch is the burger and frys and the flywheel is the toy and cookie. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tim the Teacher
WWGD!! (What would Gary Do! ::Angel:: )
Hey Gary what is your recommendations for getting a Miata ready for a Track Dog Supercharger setup?? :burnrubr:
Most people do the flywheel while they are in there. At 200hp I really doubt you will be able to tell the difference. I like my flywheel, but it doesnt make the car feel fast. I like it because of the sharp heel toe down shifts it lets me pull off. If I had to do the clutch and had some extra cash I might do it again, otherwise if I was just doing the neccesary thing I would just do the clutch.
Is this a reference to WWLD? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by POS Racing
Will a stock header work with a SC?
Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tim the Teacher
C'mon now! Y'all leave poor Tim alone. :punchout: He gets beat up enough at home.Quote:
Originally Posted by POS Racing
::Bop::
::Clown::
Welcome to the dark side! The addiction begins one piece at a time...
My 2 cents: Definitely do the motor mounts. It will provide a better "base" for your blown motor, and it's (relatively) cheap to do. The ppf I can't speak to, but I think Gary is thinking of getting your car as rigid as possible before adding the power to it.
I think you should definitely consider doing the clutch if you're going with the MP62; your stock one will be over-taxed with 200+ HP. The flywheel is a take-it-or-leave-it thing; most people that DO add it do so because it makes sense to swap a flywheel when the clutch is being replaced. Personally, I'd spend the money elsewhere. (Gary can help you with that. :)
Speed (with the lowly M45)
I will agree that the motor mounts are a must, but the PPF.....well I don't have one, but that is your choice. I would opt for the clutch and flywheel first. I installed the clutch while I was still NA and really liked the feel over OEM. I would also do anything that will be harder to access once the blower is on. You will also want to make sure your brakes and suspension are up to the task. Honestly the list is endless....trust me on this.
and cooling....
He has no interest in track or autocross, so this would really be optional.Quote:
Originally Posted by Billy Blaze
hhmmm ok what about gauges?
And major horsepower upgrade should be complemented by similiar upgrades to your suspension and braking components...
(You don't buy a more pwerful stereo without consideration to a speaker upgrade to handle it...)
Is a JR header necessary or just recommended and why?
My understanding is it's optional but would be a real PITA to install after the blower was in the car!Quote:
Originally Posted by Tim the Teacher
But then again I wonder......Quote:
Originally Posted by POS Racing
A tuned header provides optimal airflow out of the engine. With the supercharge, you'll be pushing a lot more air through the engine, and if the exit path is blocked, you'll miss out on power.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tim the Teacher
The nice thing about the header is... you can enjoy it now! Your car will have a meatier exhaust note, and you'll probably be able to feel some power gain in the upper-end of the rev range.
If you've got an itch to spend money, a header (just make sure it's one that a blower will fit over) is probably a good bet.
Thanks for all the information. BTW...From Gary:
"Hold off on any header for now until ours comes out. The JR is the only one
that fits currently, but there is not enough power gain to justify in my
eyes. See, one step closer toward your FI!
Check out new Dog pack clutch setup
http://www.trackdogracing.com/website/engine/dog_pack.htm."
Who are you having install the clutch???Quote:
Originally Posted by Tim the Teacher
It's either going to be Gary or a request for assistance from the group with the purchase of lunch or dinner at "On The Border" for the participants (maximum of 5).;)
For a clutch? ::Blink::Quote:
Originally Posted by Tim the Teacher
I think it might take more than dinner! :lol: