Well I finally got the car up on a dyno yesterday and after a few runs was able to see SAE numbers of 156 HP and 147 LB. Not to shabby for stock, I will let everyone know what happens after the TDR stuff goes on this weekend.
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Well I finally got the car up on a dyno yesterday and after a few runs was able to see SAE numbers of 156 HP and 147 LB. Not to shabby for stock, I will let everyone know what happens after the TDR stuff goes on this weekend.
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Originally Posted by Magma
Very nice. What upgrades are you installing?
Intercooler, Intake, DV, MBC, guages, air splitter, shock tower brace,.....
Well how about an update. ;)
Gary has pictures. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by POS Racing
Will he share them with the rest of the class?? ::Teacher:Quote:
Originally Posted by Titus
I don't know if you want to see all of them. ::Clown:: I am sure some o f the better ones will end up on TrackDogRacing.com at some point.Quote:
Originally Posted by POS Racing
Here is an update...things are progressing I feel that Gary and I have 90% of the piping figured out and all the other stuff will hopefully fall into place with the pipes done. I will let everyone know when I have it finished because I feel ther ewill be a neverending smile atached to my face
So did you guys do anymore last night?Quote:
Originally Posted by Magma
Yes we did, Gary decided that it was not pretty enough so we started all over on the turbo outlet pipe, I think we(Gary) have a good line on how it will look completed. Just trying to keep things to where somepeople can leave the stock shock tower brace and BV, EBC, if they want.
Well the Lava is flowing once again and it feels great. I think we lost somewhere around 20-25 lbs of the car and my boost is kicking in 1K lower now with a great psssssssshhhhhhh of the BOV inthe the larger intake. It will take a little getting used to hearing the BOV in daily driving but I love it. the Turbo Whine is SWEEEEET. I ar running about 9.5#s of boost and we will be tunning it in the morning to see what gains we can see. Now all I need is a Valentine1, anyone know where to find them locally? Too late to apollogize for the long post but oh well, right now I am the only one on the board soooo.....
Magma check your PM. It did sound sweet when you came off Spring Creek onto Preston today. I think it was about 3:15 pm, just as I was leaving work early.
Can't wait to see the results Wednesday night. ;)
Well with everything tweaked, I was able to get 183 hp and 175 lb! Not to bad a 28hp/28lb gain and a 15LB weight loss in the front end. I am very happy with this and I will be adding the FM downpipe and RB dual turbo exhaust when I get back from Africa, maybe 210.....
And it's pretty, too... Don't neglect to mention that the high hp reading came on the 15th run... A stock MSM would be so heat-soaked by then, it would be lucky to pull 133, so you've got a lot of useable power. It'll be exciting to see what happens once you swap out the downpipe and take the restriction off that turbo... Zoom-zoom!Quote:
Originally Posted by Magma
isn't the msm a "maf" car? Whats going to happen with all the metered air that disappears via the blow off?
You need 3" exhaust, or one of these, thats when the #'s really get rolling:
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I don't think the 2.5" did much of anything on my sis' car. When on went from 2.25 to 3" on my old vw, the it spooled 1200 rpm earlier and free'd up something like 40whp (t3/t04e @ 1bar). Why drop all the weight to add duals later on while running the same old 2.5" pipe thats not going to do anything? If you're going to spend the money, do it right.
so far there has been no prob with the MAF and the intake dropped spool up by 1k rpm I like the visuals of the dual and your sis's sounds great so I will be going with the rb duals. I think the next major power bump will come from the dp, FM claims 26 hp I think when used with their exhaust
Coming from the crappy stock exhuast on those cars, alot of power can be made up. I'd be weary of the blow off valve...there is no reason why you wouldn't experience fuel trim richness problems since you are running a maf, and dumping out metered air. Why spend all that money on a DP to choke the exhuast off with 2.5"? I think the gray car put down like 170whp right...I guess thats a 20whp gain or so, which is respectable just for an exhuast upgrade. Does anyone locally rock 3" on a car? I have the old 3" system from my daily driver that I'd like to adapt to my car.Quote:
Originally Posted by Magma
I tried to run a blow off valve on a maf car personally, and several friends, and we could never get it to work right. The instant we discovered DV's, everything worked flawlessly. Get a forge dv to move more air, and make cool noises. I always thought people sold blow off's to people with maf cars as an excuse to stick them with stand alone engine management later. I don't see how removing metered air is going to improve the performance of the car...but I'll definatly take that stock DV from you for my turbo system.
Don Istook over in Fort Worth is a believer in blow off valves and he ran them on his S4 speedvision touring car. I've always heard that DVs are the way to go with MAF cars but he has run them without problems.
In for black smoke pouring out the exhaust. Some people get them to work on vw's, most don't. I don't know anything about miatas, so have fun and hopefully it works out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Miatamoto
Flyin Miata also uses a BOV in their MSM intake kit, but they seem to imply that there is something different about the BOV they sell that makes it OK with a MAF:
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The piston is actually fitted with a piston ring for a perfect seal. Combined with a well-chosen spring, this means the valve can be used on a car that uses a MAF or AFM to measure airflow. We'll say that again - it will work with a stock ECU.
Wel, I'm done argueing at this point but you can't deny that regardless of the functionality, they are dumping out metered air. Its only reasonable to assume that the ecm is working properly and providing the correct ammount of fuel for a stoichiometric mixture, then running fat on fuel trim. My expereince with a bov worked fine at like 6psi, but when I got up to 14 I was running so much fuel that the car would either wash out and die on trim, or I had the spring so tight that not enough air would dump, it would still run fat, the engine would stall, the turbo would spin backwards (loud as hell), and then I wouldn't have vacuum for brakes. However, when I would engage the clutch it would fart and enormous fire ball. Then I got smart and put haltech on the car.Quote:
Originally Posted by Titus
mr brg, the grey cay was only at 155ish, not 170 and the bov is recerculating all the air back into the intake, I know nothing about maf and stuff like that but it appears to be running fine at 9psi. FM does not say about the size of the dp, but I feel it will free up the exhaust side nicely.
Hey Lava boy...Quote:
Originally Posted by Magma
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Originally Posted by Magma
oh, i thought you were dumping the blow off atmospherically. thats fine, then it works just like a DV.
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Originally Posted by Titus
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