Careful... I'll have to change your title to "Kestrel"Quote:
Originally Posted by EvilSpeeder
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Careful... I'll have to change your title to "Kestrel"Quote:
Originally Posted by EvilSpeeder
Damn... there's no emoticon for stirring the pot. :xQuote:
Originally Posted by tailchaser
Here you go... http://www.globaltravelwriters.com/Guam.jpg
Bwhahahahahahahahahahahahahaahah!!!
Be careful - that's one of the cooks from Ocean Rock! :shock: :P :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Majik
She may be fugly but she makes one mean blackened tuna sandwich!
Yep I just whipped out the digital camera for that one...
We actually have an authentic Guam kitchen setup in the back, complete with stick hut in the background...
NOOOOO, anything but that!! I'll be good, I promise!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by tailchaser
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just kidding, that woudn't be any fun!
BINGO! Nice to see that one other person in the world sees the utter madness of that rule. But it's their event, and they can require anything they want. Next it'll be bright pink halter tops for all course workers. You see, that way they'll be more visible to the drivers, therefore making it less likely they will get hit by a car. "Safety" first, fashion (and common sense) a distant second... :roll:Quote:
Originally Posted by EvilSpeeder
I'd bet cash money the P.C.A.'s insurance company is the one to force this issue on the P.C.A.. I’m sure it’s not a P.C.A. directive. Since many Porches were manufactured as convertibles. Lets try to keep this in mind as we once again slam on the P.C.A. for a rule they are forced to obey!Quote:
Originally Posted by Kestrel
http://www.pca.org/members/library/i...rance_FAQs.pdf
:bs: Then they have the wrong Insurance Company (or more likely, a poorly written policy). No other AX group -- SCCA, Equipe Rapide, S2000, BMW -- are "forced" into such a directive. Sorry POS, but I just don't buy that.Quote:
Originally Posted by POS Racing
I'm "slamming" them for having a "safety rule" that adds no safety to the event or it's participants -- and has the potential for actually doing more harm than good (as EvilSpeeder was kind enough to point out, with no prompting from me :wink: ). But I defend their right to set any rules/requirements they like. I also choose (1) not attend their events (until I get a proper rollbar), and (2) to give my [admittedly unwanted, at least on this subject] opinions to people that want to read it. Don't want to read it? Change the channel. :wink:
And contrary to popular belief, everyone hasn't heard this stuff a zillion times. Case in point? This "round of discussion" was prompted by an MME member who specifically said "I forgot about that...".
Then we will agree to disagree.Quote:
Originally Posted by kestrel
The PCA does Track Events, DE's and TT’s, which no other car club does in this area of the world. The do way more than just autocross like the other clubs you listed. I'm sure the PCA national office packaged the entire deal together when they got insurance package. This seems to be supported by the PCA Insurance—National Program Frequently Asked Questions link that was posted above.
BTW. the nice Folks at MME posted this cool Spreadsheet on what our local AX clubs require it's a good read! 8)
Great minds think alike huh Kestrel? ;)
I don't have a problem doing it I just think is a little dumb and annoying. I've never seen a miata roll at an autox. I do plan on getting a hard dog bar very soon.
Thanks for the spreadsheet Mick!
Am I the only one who finds it confusing as hell when a thread is amputated and the disembodied limb becomes its own topic? Could we at least include a reference in the (suddenly) first post to how the whole thing got there?
If the point is merely to inflate the thread count, somebody make it an official directive and we can all pitch in.
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I'm pretty sure that is joe.MIATA & TC's work! So I can't talke credit for it! :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by EvilSpeeder
Yes you are. :nutkick:Quote:
Originally Posted by redmenace
That's kinda the idea. This post had nothing to do with the post it was amputated from and stands on its own.
It's the same for me. I am willing to overlook this goofy rule in order to drive a solid/ fast course layout with an acceptable amount of entrants.Quote:
I don't have a problem doing it I just think is a little dumb and annoying.
Do we have to hear this diatribe again? :banghead:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kestrel
C'mon, guys - the rules are the rules. If you don't want to participate because you disagree with a rule... then don't. But quit shitting on everyone else's parade.
The Maverick Region PCA puts on some great events. If you choose not to participate for whatever reason, that's your loss.
Can somebody explain when the description "gay" became the defacto motorhead diatribe against whatever the poster wants to whine about?
I see this crap on motorcycle sites all the time. I'm sorta surprised to see it on a car site. Frankly, it pisses me off.
You said that better than I did... :)Quote:
Originally Posted by EvilSpeeder
That's a very good point, and one I hadn't considered. You are probably right that they found it easier to just have one set of rules for all their events to keep things simple and consistent. Helps in negotiating their insurance policy (fewer exceptions to right into the policy). And it probably helps with tech -- one set of rules for all cars participating in performance events.Quote:
Originally Posted by POS Racing
POS 1
Kestrel 0
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Still a dumb rule... :P
Has someone been hanging out on the pointy board too long? :bball:Quote:
Originally Posted by sammm
Just for background info, I posed this 'top-up' rule question to James Shoffit (PCA Mav Region) last night. It seems they are as tired of this as we are.
Here is his response: (Note: no response to this topic is necessary...)
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Ugh. Don't get me started :)
I think (personally, not officially of course) it is one of the silliest rules
ever foisted upon us. But alas, I am neither the Autocross or Time Trial
chair, nor am I the local President, or any of the other advisers that all
seem to think it is the safe thing to do.
Most people think it is probably safer to have the top closed if you roll.
Others disagree. Who is right ? I have no idea. I just know that I
have never seen a convertible roll at an autocross (our time trials are
essentially just high-speed autocrosses). Is it POSSIBLE to roll a
convertible at an autocross? Of course, anything is possible if you
work hard enough at it! We had a guy roll a WRX a few years back,
and he had to work his butt off to flip it. You shoulda seen it.
Anyway, the national DE committee decided two years ago that tops
needed to be closed for non-arm-restrained open-top cars for PCA
driver's education events. This got pretty much forced onto the regions.
It was NOT an insurance decision, but a liability decision. And for
SOME reason, even though we have no national-level committee for
autocross, we (PCA local or national, I am not sure which) decided it
would be fantastic if the rules were the same for both events. So now
we have to run top-closed at autocrosses and time trials too.
As for me, I quit autocrossing my convertible (not because of that, but
because my convertible was an understeering pig of a car that couldn't
make autocross turns without a 3-pointer and a tug boat involved).
So sorry you have to put up with that. If you want to lodge a protest,
you probably won't get very far. They sure quit listening to me :)
James
Did you read what I wrote? I said I didn't like it because it doesn't make sense, but I'm still going. How am I shitting on anyones parade? If you're going to get your panties in a bunch over stuff like this perhaps you need to go back to anger management class. If you don't like what the thread is about, you don't have to read it.Quote:
Do we have to hear this diatribe again?
C'mon, guys - the rules are the rules. If you don't want to participate because you disagree with a rule... then don't. But quit s****ing on everyone else's parade.
Sorry, it's the vernacular of my generation I guess. I don't think it has anything at all to do with being a 'motorhead'. I didn't mean to offend anyone. But seriously. This is the INTERNET. If you get pissed off because of the way I (or anyone else) talk, don't read it. And what makes you think that the people on motorcycle sites are ANY different than the people on car sites? Narrowminded stereotypes......Quote:
Can somebody explain when the description "gay" became the defacto motorhead diatribe against whatever the poster wants to whine about?
I see this crap on motorcycle sites all the time. I'm sorta surprised to see it on a car site. Frankly, it pisses me off.
Did you look closely at what I quoted?Quote:
Originally Posted by EvilSpeeder
I'm not complaining about your diatribe. There is a reason that TC threatened to brand you Kestrel for bringing this subject up... again. :wink:
See you in anger management class? :P :wink:
[quote="EvilSpeeder"]Strangely, I think my original complaint was about a narrowminded stereotype that has become 'the vernacular of your generation'.Quote:
Narrowminded stereotypes......
I realize that the expression is in common use almost everywhere. I also realize that very few of its users ever recognize that the negative use of ANY group's name is eventually going to offend.
Let's change your original comment to something like: that's so black, that's so Mexican, that's so white, that's so fatgirl, that's so old, that's so asian, or that's so Celica.
Somebody somewhere at some time is going to be married to an old overweight mulato who loves her Celica and whose gay son dates a black guy. The speaker is going to unintentionally piss off a prospective customer or friend. It costs everyone.
Now I'm not angry at YOU per se, because your use wasn't intended to be offensive. And I'm not trying to be the PC police here.....I'm merely trying to point out that thoughtless use of this sort of language is problematic and offensive. After all, the word gay was being used as a descriptive term for something negative.
When it comes down to it, now that we understand one another, I'm cool if you're cool.
Fair enough. I'm cool.
But 'gay' used to mean 'happy'. Maybe I think it is a dumb rule, but maybe dumb rules make me happy!
So you're sayin' the top rule makes you happy? :D
I think we can say "It's chickenshit!" without offending too many chickens. :roll:
I know a guy who raises chickens and has a Celica I'm sure he's now offended. :PQuote:
Originally Posted by OUTRACE
I don't care who ya are, that's just funny! :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by POS Racing
:lol: :lol: :lol: smartass!Quote:
Originally Posted by POS Racing
Well crap I know this guy who is a smartass and has chicken and a Celica I'm sure he's now offended.**Quote:
Originally Posted by sammm
**Actually I don't have a Celica but I did have Chicken for dinner last night! :cheers:
Are they chickens, or are they roosters in drag?Quote:
Originally Posted by POS Racing
Somebody please tell me I haven't offended the trans-chicken demographic!
Nevermind.... If they were roosters in drag, they wouldn't be caught dead near a Celica.... :lol: