autoX cheat

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03-12-2007, 01:07 AM
Mouglie

autoX cheat

I don't know any rules for autocross so some of you
may see me as a joke but check this out. IF you change
out your ecu for an engine management system then
that puts you in a different class aigh?

Some ppl have shown increments of 8-12hp just with
a rough tuning with a megasquirt EMS, with everything
else stock in the car (injectors, cas, O2 sensor...)

If you see here in this pic...
to the left you have the stock ecu...
and to the right you see a full stand alone EMS, ::StirTheP
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y27...parts/ecu1.jpg

so why not hide the EMS inside the stock ECU?
get the juice of tuning your car while competing
in the same class, would this be a cheat, lol...:confused:

this one's for you RJ, lol...
03-12-2007, 05:04 AM
channelmaniac

Wouldn't be hard to make it fit... but seat time would improve my times more than a cheat. ;)
03-12-2007, 06:04 AM
altiain

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mouglie

so why not hide the EMS inside the stock ECU?
get the juice of tuning your car while competing
in the same class, would this be a cheat, lol...:confused:

this one's for you RJ, lol...

At the higher levels of the sport, where Protest and Impound often plugs into your OBDII port, you'd be caught and ejected from the event.

At lower levels, you'd just be a slimy, cheating jackass. If that's your thing then go for it...
03-12-2007, 06:09 AM
Miatamoto

Quote:

Originally Posted by altiain

At the higher levels of the sport, where Protest and Impound often plugs into your OBDII port, you'd be caught and ejected from the event.

At lower levels, you'd just be a slimy, cheating jackass. If that's your thing then go for it...

+1

... but Mouglie, since my class allows MS, I might need your help. I would love to run one in my car.
03-12-2007, 06:25 AM
channelmaniac

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Originally Posted by Miatamoto

+1

... but Mouglie, since my class allows MS, I might need your help. I would love to run one in my car.

If you need help assembling it I can do some killer soldering.

RJ
03-12-2007, 06:34 AM
Miatamoto

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Originally Posted by channelmaniac

If you need help assembling it I can do some killer soldering.

RJ

Thanks! I may take you up on that offer, but I've got a EE at work that's interested in the project.
03-12-2007, 06:35 AM
Titus

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Originally Posted by Miatamoto

+1

... but Mouglie, since my class allows MS, I might need your help. I would love to run one in my car.

Does the MS need to use a MAP, or can it keep the AFM? My LINK board bolts inside the stock ECU case, but it requires you to replace the AFM with a MAP sensor, which *I think* is not legal. What did Andy end up running in his STS2 car?
03-12-2007, 06:47 AM
Miatamoto

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Originally Posted by Titus

Does the MS need to use a MAP, or can it keep the AFM? My LINK board bolts inside the stock ECU case, but it requires you to replace the AFM with a MAP sensor, which *I think* is not legal. What did Andy end up running in his STS2 car?

I think he wants to run a MS with the AFM. I'm not sure if it works. I don't think he's done anything yet.
03-12-2007, 06:50 AM
Titus

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Originally Posted by Miatamoto

I think he wants to run a MS with the AFM. I'm not sure if it works. I don't think he's done anything yet.

Maybe he will stop in and comment... I know he lurks here occasionally, and this tread title should be more than he can resist. :D
03-12-2007, 08:24 AM
HudsonHawk

Last I heard MS used a MAP for engine load. I am not sure if it can use an AFM. But there are a lot of resourcefull people out there who run MS and that may have changed.
03-12-2007, 10:10 AM
srivendel

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Originally Posted by altiain

you'd just be a slimy, cheating jackass.

Amen. While some of us can't help being jackasses, nobody should ever cheat. Why would someone go to such lengths to cheat at a sport, anyway? Isn't the whole point of winning to feel good about it/accomplish something meaningful?

S.
03-12-2007, 01:18 PM
Majik

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Originally Posted by srivendel

Amen. While some of us can't help being jackasses, nobody should ever cheat. Why would someone go to such lengths to cheat at a sport, anyway? Isn't the whole point of winning to feel good about it/accomplish something meaningful?

S.

You havent seen my collection of beer mugs have you?
03-12-2007, 01:39 PM
Miatamoto

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Originally Posted by Majik

You havent seen my collection of beer mugs have you?

+1, ER and SCCA glassware are the reasons I autocross. ;)
03-12-2007, 01:46 PM
srivendel

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Originally Posted by Miatamoto

glassware are the reasons I autocross

::Fruity:: ::Paul:: ::Daisy::

S.
03-12-2007, 01:56 PM
Miatamoto

Quote:

Originally Posted by srivendel

::Fruity:: ::Paul:: ::Daisy::

S.

You'll understand if you ever start winning. ;)
03-12-2007, 02:25 PM
channelmaniac

Quote:

Originally Posted by Majik

You havent seen my collection of beer mugs have you?

You ever stop to think that you may need some help?
03-12-2007, 03:01 PM
srivendel

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Originally Posted by Miatamoto

You'll understand if you ever start winning. ;)

Good one. :punchout:

So far, I'm the only person registered in NGS. Does that count? :albino:

S.
03-12-2007, 03:16 PM
cone-cerned

BMW, S2K and PCA are pretty much "run what ya brung" for miatas. X, Miata, Miata R or J class. ER and SCCA have some (OK, a lot of) classing rules. If you are not stock locally, talk to you class competitors. They may not object to your running non-stock. altiain is right about divisional, national tours, prosolos and national finals. Those guys will protest if the badging on your car is not correct. Last year at Walnut Ridge, an OBDII reader was used on every car with an OBDII port.

I think I heard some one say "If you can't go fast with 90 hp, 900 hp won't help." Work on the loose nut behind the wheel. Seat time. Seat time. Seat time.
03-12-2007, 05:03 PM
jrj512

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Originally Posted by srivendel

I'm the only person registered in NGS. Does that count?

Like the Tire class (which I am in), they use PAX times in order to lump all novices into one class. For example, you could be racing against someone in NCS, but they will use percentages of the raw times to arrive at a more or less fair and comparable index time. I can't find the actual PAX indexes at the moment, but let's say your PAX is .90 and the NCS PAX is .85. That means you will get 90% of your time and the NCS guy will only get 85% of their time. That way, you can race against faster cars (making a larger group) and still win.

I think PAX times are about as close as they can get to reality. However, I don't think you will ever hear someone say, "My class has a really good PAX index." It' just part of racing.

I'll look for you on Saturday and Sunday. I'll probably walk up and start talking to some other joker in a Honda...
03-12-2007, 07:22 PM
Miatamoto

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Originally Posted by jrj512

However, I don't think you will ever hear someone say, "My class has a really good PAX index."

... except for Mini Cooper drivers!
03-13-2007, 04:44 AM
sammm

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Originally Posted by Miatamoto

... except for Mini Cooper drivers!

and Neon SRT's!
03-16-2007, 04:23 PM
Mouglie

he usually lurks

Quote:

Originally Posted by Titus

Maybe he will stop in and comment... I know he lurks here occasionally, and this tread title should be more than he can resist. :D

lol... You build it according to your car and your needs, you can control fuel and spark or just fuel itself. If you don't want to use the Map sensor it comes with you can just change that in the settings when tuning your MS and use the AFM instead.
03-16-2007, 04:28 PM
Mouglie

Quote:

Originally Posted by altiain

At lower levels, you'd just be a slimy, cheating jackass. If that's your thing then go for it...

I don't autocross, and i don't see why fine tuning your car would
be cheating in any case. But you drive your car with rules and to each
their own.