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Time for tires.
Currently running 205/45/16 on an '03 Shinsen Version (daily driver), wondering if 225's would fit?
Might rub on the front. 225's on rear, 215's on front?
Thinking about the Toyos--any other recommendations?
Here in Big D, I'm guessing I'm fairly safe running summer tires all year?
Is this(http://www.miata.net/garage/align.html --scroll down) the alignment to get?
Thanks,
TMF
I'm running 215/45/16 Hankook RS2's with no rubs. However, my car does follow every little crack in the road.
Skirt (scmx5driver) runs 225's on his '99. I run summer tires all year long......when I have the money to purchase them.
Are you considering the T1-R's?
The rub on the front will probably be more inboard than outboard. I run larger sways and even 205/50/R15s rub passenger side sway with Hoosier A6 in hard conering. If the little booger is lowered in any way, I wouldn't run bigger than 205s. Summer tires year round are fine. There will never be a need for Blizzaks w/ seeping or studded tires for what might be 2 hours out of 365 days here in Texas. Besides, I resided in a climate with 220" average snowfall yearly, and never had winter tires. Of course, never had a Miata there either.
...and the reason that you NEED that much rubber is.....what?
I'm running 225/45/15 Hankooks with a hollow front bar and very low ride height. It does rub a tiny bit on the sway bar but only at full lock which rarely ever happens, and only at very low speeds.
I would suggest that you run the same size tire front and back, and the difference between 215 and 225 will probably not be noticeable on the street.
I've had 215 and 225 on 16x6.5 wheels. Contact patch did not offset the weight difference. At stock height, the 225's rubbed on the inside.
Thanks all.
Through this conversation and talks with others, I've decided to just go with 215 Yokohama ES-100's. Not even sure why I was thinking of 225s--just thinking more would be better, not always the case...
Now the real question: where to I get a good alignment in Dallas?
Thanks,
TMF
I'm not a big fan of ES-100s but what are you looking for out of your tires. I had them on my M3 and they didn't last very long, were noisy and didn't grip that well.Quote:
Originally Posted by TMFShinsen
Plus they are overpriced IMO.
Dear god, no!!!! Anything but es-100s!!!! The $37 Hankook K106 crapfests are FAR superior to es100s... And I think johnwag is now working on the 27k mile mark on the set I bought... I think he's the one who has them now at least...Quote:
Originally Posted by Miatamoto
I no longer have them, Jeff_man does. They have like 80%-85% tread left. The tread depth is 7/32-8/32's. Great for just driving, meh for grip.Quote:
Originally Posted by tailchaser
I agree with the ES-100 naysayers. Would never buy them again at any price...
Well, nothing like stirring the pot, eh...?! ;)
Right, so scratch ES-100's...
To be sure, this is my daily driver. In fact, just from looking at some of the pictures y'all post, I may be way out of my league here. Perfect example: as to what I want out of my tires--no clue. I don't even know what there is to be had. All I really know is that the BFGs on it (ZR rated, I believe) are coming due for replacement--and the back end's sliding around a fair amount.
Thought it best to replace with something other than an all-weather tire (!), but didn't know what. And, of course, I don't wanna spend a ton of money. And it might be a lot easier to buy somethings that a tire store stocks...
Open to suggestions.
Thanks,
TMF
I'm running the K106's and have 10k on them. Rotated every couple of thousand miles and no real sign of wear yet....
Bridgestone and several other companies sell tires that aren't badged as Bridgestone, etc. These tires are some what less expensive, and will serve as purpose. If however, you want performance w/ value, step up and look what's out there. Good tires are a plenty for the Miatas, but you have to pay to play.
One of the best tires for the Miata is the Toyo T1-R. Not excessively pricey, and probably good for close to 20K miles if you are not an aggressive driver. But a great performance upgrade from OEM rubber...
I'm not sure it qualifies as Dallas, but go see BAM (AJ) at NTB in Lewisville when it's alignment time. Might want to give him a couple of days to wear off any possible B-Day after effects though. ::Cake::Quote:
Originally Posted by TMFShinsen
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Originally Posted by tailchaser
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Originally Posted by mr brg
CLICK HERE for the BRG translation...Quote:
Originally Posted by Titus
And da troof shall set you free... :rolleyes:
Right. So, Toyo TR-1's have been my first inclination all along, but nobody seems to sell 'em locally (and I rather like the notion of buying from a place that'll rotate free). That's why I (mistakenly!) decided on the ES-100's (decision since retracted!) Will Discount or NTB special order the Toyos...?
Discount actually stocks BFG g-force Sport as well as the Kumho SPTs. I'm running the BFGs now (205's), but wet traction is nearing dangerous levels. Granted, they're worn (not sure how many miles on 'em, the Shinsen came with 'em back in March...). So, I'm looking for something with a bit better wet traction. Kumho's seem to have that, but are rated "better" at Discount while BFGs are "best". (Yeah, I know a lot of marketing BS, but they are the same price--actually BFGs have a rebate...)
That leaves me:
1.) Toyos (if available locally)
2.) Kumhos (hoping they live up to wet traction promise...)
3.) BFG g-force Sports (hoping I'm I'm not being too critical of them since they're worn...)
Thoughts?
Order the tires on line and take them to get mounted. I've done that several times.
I've owned ES-100 w/ my first Miata, and have campaigned the Kumho SPT's for a Novice 2nd place Regional Championship for SCCA and Equipe Rapide. The ES were all or nothing. They gripped O.K., but would just snap at the hint of a bird fart. The SPT's were good both dry and wet, for what they are. Not a bad tire for a not a bad price. The SPT's have 20 or so Autocrosses on them and could still get another 15,000 miles out of 'em. Have had to store them, since I now run Hoosier A6's. If price, is an issue, I have 4 SPTs for free.
You don't recognize the troof?Quote:
Originally Posted by Titus
TMFShinsen-
Disregard PM, I just reviewed and saw you needed 16's. Don't have 'em, mine are 15's. Good luck with whatever you decided on.
Sure did... they provide a great product!Quote:
Originally Posted by tailchaser
::db2::
Roger that. Thanks just the same.
Thought the 15's might be a tight fit! ;)
TMF
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Originally Posted by Machismo
I'm running 225 45 15's on all 4 corners, you can see the car wed. night at the plano meet.. I'll be there around 9ishQuote:
Originally Posted by TMFShinsen
I'll second the Kumho Ecsta SPT recommendation. I use these as daily driver tires on my RX-8. I also had a chance to datalog them last weekend when we used them as rain tires at a local autocross. My co-driver and I managed to generate in excess of 1.10 lateral Gs on these tires in the rain, on an otherwise stock RX-8.Quote:
Originally Posted by TMFShinsen
They're cheap, they're sticky, they last well (mine currently have 10k on them and ought to go well over 20k), and they're comfortable and quiet for daily driving. What's not to like?
FWIW, I also owned a set of ES-100s. Hated 'em.
Heh... You're "set" of ES-100s was a laugh riot... IIRC, you went through about 6 pairs trying to get them to all die at the same time back in your pizza delivery days... and cursed the gods every time you had to buy two more...Quote:
Originally Posted by altiain
Glad to hear the SPTs are still good stuff. I'd like to take them for a spin someday in case I ever start racking up mileage on the 8 and need to buy tires! :-)
Edit: Heh... the Google ads are pretty funny sometimes... There's an ad at the bottom for McLaren Nu-Air flat-proof skid steer tires... I think it mis-judged...
Ain't that the truth. :rolleyes: IIRC, I had two replaced for free within a short period of time due to unrepairable flats, and after that I could never wear a full set out at a time, nor justify throwing away perfectly good tires to the wife.Quote:
Originally Posted by tailchaser
Thank God those days are over. :mrgreen:
If those SPT's are 14" sizes I'm interested, I'm really getting sick of the 500 treadwear all season tires that came on my car and want to try and autocross it in Estock tire.Quote:
Originally Posted by Machismo
I don't think Kumho makes a 14" SPT.Quote:
Originally Posted by CosmosMpower
BTW, The SPT is a great all-rounder (and is my tire of choice for daily driving), but it is still inferior to the Azenis or Bridegestone RE-01R in dry grip.
Get the Hankook R-S2 or Falken RT-615. Competitively, those are the only choices for 14s except maybe the 225 Toyo T1-R but that's not proven and probably needs a wider wheel to make it worthwhile.Quote:
Originally Posted by CosmosMpower
I second that... they were awful. ::Censor::Quote:
Originally Posted by altiain
i just got a set of the dunlop dz101 direzza. i think they are great. great in the wet and dry and grip tons better then the old es 100's i had before. and the are pretty cheap too.
I've got 225/40-16 Toyo T1-R's on 16x8 +38 RPF-1's. Lowered on Tein coilovers and RB sways front/rear. NO RUBBING. Fenders not rolled.
good-win claims that you can do 245/35-16 T1-R's on these wheels with no rubbing. I'm skeptical of that. I do plan on going to the 245's once the 225's wear out just to try it. But I also plan on rolling the fenders first :)
http://www.steveandlee.com/galleries...rpf1_good2.jpg