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    Sounds like the same thing Gary and I experienced with the Goodwin car. Turned out that it was the wheel bearing. I had to crawl onto the rear shelf to hear which side it was coming from. Not difficult to remove the spindle and the axle. Have a shop press in the new bearing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by driftdevil View Post
    I believe it may be like a woo woo.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CClYVODf5Uc
    Kinda like THIS


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    Quote Originally Posted by Treibenschnell View Post
    You got the pipe on?
    Yep, and that old alytic converter was a B TCH to get off. Even with a breaker bar I was grunting!


    EDIT: Oh and the car is louder and sounds better now
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    Quote Originally Posted by Radio-Active View Post
    Kinda like THIS


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    Oh my. I can't decide if that's funny or obnoxious. or obnoxious. or obnoxious. or obnoxious.

    Never mind. I think I've got it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMonkey View Post
    Yep, and that old alytic converter was a B TCH to get off. Even with a breaker bar I was grunting!
    Never heard of PB Blaster?



    Quote Originally Posted by MadMonkey View Post
    EDIT: Oh and the car is louder and sounds better now
    Good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jrj512 View Post
    I've got a THFPT THFPT coming out of my rear end.

    Maybe they forgot to take the camera out.....
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    troubleshoot - next thing to do is identify which rear tire makes the most noise, lift it up on jack stands and spin the wheel freely to see if you can still hear the noise...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mouglie View Post
    troubleshoot - next thing to do is identify which rear tire makes the most noise, lift it up on jack stands and spin the wheel freely to see if you can still hear the noise...

    Thanks, Mouglie. I tried that yesterday -- no noise coming from either one. Not sure if that's a killer for the bearing theory (never had this before) as there isn't a "load" on it. Might that even figure in??

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    GG,
    Next time you drive the car for awhile, get under the rear (of the car, silly!) and feel the hub on both sides. Be careful, 'cause the bad one will be much hotter than the other. If they are equal, I would say it's not a bearing. Have you checked for a frozen brake caliper? Miatas are notorious for getting water in the slider and it freezes up. If this has happened, the inside pad will wear out pre-maturely. If all is ok on the outboard side, I would guess that a diff bearing is going. Is there any oil showing where either axle comes out of the housing? See if you can wiggle the axles and the driveshaft.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMerv View Post
    GG,
    Next time you drive the car for awhile, get under the rear (of the car, silly!) and feel the hub on both sides. Be careful, 'cause the bad one will be much hotter than the other. If they are equal, I would say it's not a bearing. Have you checked for a frozen brake caliper? Miatas are notorious for getting water in the slider and it freezes up. If this has happened, the inside pad will wear out pre-maturely. If all is ok on the outboard side, I would guess that a diff bearing is going. Is there any oil showing where either axle comes out of the housing? See if you can wiggle the axles and the driveshaft.
    Doh! Merv has a good theory too. Those brake calipers do freeze up.
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    If it is the brakes, you will be able to feel it in the pedal. Does the noise increase/change during accelerating? braking? turning(note direction)? Combination of changing speed and turning?

    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgesGirl View Post
    Noise is constant but loudest turning left, rhythmic, very low frequency, increases with speed but not rpm.
    Right rear wheel bearing is my guess. I bet you can get a pre-pressed hub assembly at vato-zone or the like. It'll save you time and energy, but might cost more. Those places are starting to get into a "lifetime warranty" trend, so maybe the peace of mind is worth the extra dough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by black roadster View Post
    Doh! Merv has a good theory too. Those brake calipers do freeze up.
    No kidding! Everytime I switch the pads out I cover the sliders in grease and the next time I change the pads they're almost stuck again! Any good fix for this btw? I've used a couple different types of grease with no success.

    Quote Originally Posted by boisking View Post
    Right rear wheel bearing is my guess. I bet you can get a pre-pressed hub assembly at vato-zone or the like. It'll save you time and energy, but might cost more. Those places are starting to get into a "lifetime warranty" trend, so maybe the peace of mind is worth the extra dough.
    Not with the rear. Simple press in bearing into the spindle. The front on the other hand is a pre-press hub assembly. Just hope ya don't have the problem I had with my rear hubs. The shop barely got the passenger side out and called me cause they were afraid of breaking the spindle if they tried any harder on the driver's side. I said I could get a new one if it breaks to try again, called back 10 min later and I had to pick up a new spindle from the salvage yard!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMerv View Post
    GG,
    the bad one will be much hotter than the other. If they are equal, I would say it's not a bearing. Have you checked for a frozen brake caliper?

    Wow!! Hot. Frozen. Where's Harold Taft when I need him??

    Thanks for this -- I'll give that a shot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boisking View Post
    If it is the brakes, you will be able to feel it in the pedal. Does the noise increase/change during accelerating? braking? turning(note direction)? Combination of changing speed and turning?
    No change during braking. Only change with speed is -- forgive me -- frequency of the wub (as in, the faster the wheels turn, the more frequent the wub).

    However, it does increase in intensity and loudness when a BIT of load is placed on the right wheels (as in when swerving to the right to avoid dismembering a raccoon sleeping in the left lane and then swerving back into the left lane). Goes from an unfriendly little wub-wub to a downright hostile whap-whap. I really must get this car to the shop -- I'm running out of sound descriptors...

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgesGirl View Post
    No change during braking. Only change with speed is -- forgive me -- frequency of the wub (as in, the faster the wheels turn, the more frequent the wub).

    However, it does increase in intensity and loudness when a BIT of load is placed on the right wheels (as in when swerving to the right to avoid dismembering a raccoon sleeping in the left lane and then swerving back into the left lane). Goes from an unfriendly little wub-wub to a downright hostile whap-whap. I really must get this car to the shop -- I'm running out of sound descriptors...
    Oh yeah, that's most certianly a wheel bearing.
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    If it's not a wheel bearing, the noise sounds very similar to the front bearing of differential going out. I replaced a wheel bearing and still had my "noise" until I changed out the diff. on a whim and then discovered it was the front bearing.
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    If its a wheel bearing you can easily tell by hanging your head out the drivers side or a friends head out the passenger side while driving. The sound will be fairly audible. Also if your driving next to a wall and the sound is louder on either side then its the wheel bearing on that side. If it is a diff bearing then the sound wont sound liek its coming from either side....since the diff is the middle. But from what you described I would say its a wheel bearing.

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    An easy test we do at the shop is jack up the car and push pull on the wheel, as described in this Wiki articel -

    "To check a wheel bearing, grasp the tire at the 12 and 6 o’clock positions and attempt to rock the tire. As a rule, there should be zero play on most FWD cars, but up to .010 inch of play in the front bearings may be acceptable on RWD applications that have adjustable bearings. Also rotate the tire by hand. Any roughness or noise from the bearings would also tell you the bearings are worn or damaged and need to be replaced. If one wheel bearing has failed, pay close attention to all of the other hubs on the vehicle, especially if the vehicle has a lot of miles on it. Chances are some of the other bearings may also be nearing the end of their journey."

    Basically, just grab it top to bottom and wiggle it, then side to side and wiggle it. If it moves alot, squeaks, etc. then it needs replacing.

    No idea if someone alreayd posted this. If not, then try it out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 4W4K3 View Post
    An easy test we do at the shop is jack up the car and push pull on the wheel
    Thanks for this. I did try that on Sunday along with free-spinning the wheels. No play. No noise. The weather was so incredible today that I drove home from Dallas with the top down and didn't even try to listen. Just cranked up the Buffett and drove. It was nice to enjoy the car again --even if just for 45 minutes-- and not listen for the noise. I'll surely be glad to get this rear end problem behind me...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Black_devil_miata View Post
    If its a wheel bearing you can easily tell by hanging your head out the drivers side or a friends head out the passenger side while driving.
    Does the friend need to be in the car?
    (No one has been able to hear anything from the exterior -- but then, my friends and I are all getting up in years, too!)

    Quote Originally Posted by Sharpie View Post
    If it's not a wheel bearing, the noise sounds very similar to the front bearing of differential going out. I replaced a wheel bearing and still had my "noise" until I changed out the diff. on a whim and then discovered it was the front bearing.
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