Maybe 4 wheels aren't so bad after all... wickett.org
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Pretty much sums it up. After they burn through the 15 billion they are getting, they'll be back again asking for more and blaming their troubles on the fact they didn't get the full 35 billion they asked for to begin with.
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99 Miata Black
I am sure the UAW not helping them. Since the first oil embargo in the 70's, they have been promising cars that are fuel efficient and people will buy! It has been 30 some years, and they still singing the same song!
Giving them money is not the way to go. We should arrange some kind od marriage like...Toyota General, Nissan Ford or Red Flag Chrysler!
Gabriel
If they each built only 4 SUV's instead of 7, they would be fine.
and HUMMER, the new EDSEL!
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Yeah, all of those foreign makers are just selling cars like hot cakes. I hear that they can't keep supply in the showrooms. Too bad GM/Ford/Chrylser can't sell cars like they are right now.
Yea for crying out loud just one manufacture in particular has the following SUV line-up!!!Originally Posted by Rogue
FYI - Toyota's U.S. sales tumbled 34 percent in November, including a 35 percent slump in its Lexus luxury line.
- RAV4
- FJ Cruiser
- 4Runner
- Highlander
- Sequoia
- Land Cruiser
- RX
- GX
- LX
Yet another example of a Stupid American car company!
Detroit should burn =(
Yeah, they should all be more like Honda!SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) -- Honda Motor Co. (HMC : Honda Motor Co., Ltd. 11:07am 12/10/2008 ) said Tuesday November U.S. sales fell 31.6% to 76,233 vehicles from 111,431 a year ago. Honda brand sales slid 30.6% to 68,345 units while Acura division sales tumbled 38.9% to 7,888. Only the Pilot model showed an increase in sales, rising 4.5% to 5,601
How about instead of giving then the $$$$$. Give every household in the US a voucher for a new vehicle! I am sure the $$$ will work out about the same and we will instantly solve the porblem of no one is buying.
Gabriel
That's been done already with the economic stimulus checks. The tobacco and alcohol industries are doing quite well without any more help from the government.
Oh come on, if they gave house holds a vouger then what would the CEO's get out of the deal. Ya sure they are saying they have to sell there private planes, and ok we are getting money now we will just go out and buy a bigger and better plane after we sell the old one. Ya this hole bail out deal isn't going to help the economy, it isn't going to get repaid back to the people because they will come up with some reason why they can't afford to pay it back. All along they will still have there multiple houses, there planes and there big pay checks while people all around the U.S. are still hurting on money.
Nope I say we do just like gabkwong said. Give a vouger to every house hold let them choose which company they would buy a car from. Or even better yet, since they seem to be able to through all this money at the banks, and the car manufacters why not just triple the amount of what the last stim checks were to the people and give them another stim check in that amount. Let the people choose where they think there tax dollars should be going not a few people sitting at some table in Washington.
Ok well I got that out of my system.
$15 billion bailout loan divided by about 300 million folks in the US equals about $50 per person. My household share of that would be $150, which isn't enough to stimulate me into buying a new car from one of the Big Three.
Mike Walsted - Not an expert, just a data point.
1999 Miata
2003 MIata
1999 Miata
2001 Kia Rio
Exactly my point.
This has nothing to do with sh1tty cars. All of the car companies are on the same boat. It's just that the US companies are sinking faster because of their heavy labor costs.
that and the fact that they refused to change their ways after 20 straight years of market share loss, too many brands, too many dealers, etc, etc, etc...
A Japanese car company and an American company decided to have a canoe race on the Missouri River. Both teams practiced long and hard to reach their peak performance before the race. On the big day, the Japanese won by a mile.
The Americans, very discouraged and depressed, decided to investigate the reason for the crushing defeat. A management team made up of senior management was formed to investigate and recommend appropriate action. Their conclusion was the Japanese had 8 people rowing and 1 person steering, while the American team had 7 people steering and 2 people rowing.
Feeling a deeper study was in order, American management hired a consulting company and paid them a large amount of money for a second opinion. They advised, of course, that too many people were steering the boat, while not enough people were rowing. Not sure of how to utilize that information, but wanting to prevent another loss to the Japanese, the rowing team's management structure was totally reorganized to 4 steering supervisors, 2 area steering superintendents and 1 assistant superintendent steering manager. They also implemented a new performance system that would give the 2 people rowing the boat greater incentive to work harder. It was called the 'Rowing Team Quality First Program,' with meetings, dinners and free pens for the rowers. There was discussion of getting new paddles, canoes and other equipment, extra vacation days for practices and bonuses. The pension program was trimmed to 'equal the competition' and some of the resultant savings were channeled into morale boosting programs and teamwork posters.
The next year the Japanese won by two miles.
Humiliated, the American management laid-off one rower, halted development of a new canoe, sold all the paddles, and canceled all capital investments for new equipment. The money saved was distributed to the Senior Executives as bonuses.
The next year, try as he might, the lone designated rower was unable to even finish the race, so he was laid off for unacceptable performance, all canoe equipment was sold and the next year's racing team was out-sourced.
Don't worry, there will be an official CAR CZAR to make sure Detroit starts making the kind of cars the government thinks they should make. Reminds me of when Homer Simpson designed the "Homer".
Anybody care to wonder what features the BarneyFrankMobile might have?
You can't kill a brand if you can't shut down the factory or lay off workers. The bloodsucking UAW strangles the American car companies. I blame that on both the UAW and to a lesser extent, the management.that and the fact that they refused to change their ways after 20 straight years of market share loss, too many brands, too many dealers, etc, etc, etc...
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