if our machine was $4k, id sell off one of the cars and get one built in the garage. our bad ass machine is more along the lines of 70k installed. so it will take a stretch to pay it off. As for showing management whats up, my boss is well aware of the situation. it wasnt his call and I am not mad at him for doing his job. crap rolls down hill and the cold corporate world has no personality or value. well, thats how i feel right now. who knows, maybe ill come chasing up another corporate ladder one day. Or break down and get my own machine. but even so, it would very much suprise me if Gary springs for a machine as its too hard to pay off. what we had going on was a great deal for everyone and is very hard to replicate...