Reply With QuoteYes, you would be in STR if you want to run street tires. You would be in CSP if you want to run R-comps. This only applies to SCCA and ER events.
The 15" rims and diff do not matter at BMW, NTAXS, and (I think) PCA events.
Noob Autocross Class Question - Bigger Wheels with Torsen
I was provoked by GregW's question. Alright guys, I'm kinda confused on things. I tried researching but I still haven't learned to speak the language of SCCA classing. My head starts spinning.
I have a '94 with a Torsen. I'm thinking about getting bigger wheels. I know that would bump me out of E-stock, and the Torsen excludes me from STS.
So, if I have nothing but 15" wheels and a Torsen, what is the lowest class that bumps me into? STR?
2013 Red Volkswagen GTI
ex Miata owner
Yes, you would be in STR if you want to run street tires. You would be in CSP if you want to run R-comps. This only applies to SCCA and ER events.
The 15" rims and diff do not matter at BMW, NTAXS, and (I think) PCA events.
You could run TCSP (no R-comps), but the PAX will be brutal. (CSP=.863, ES=.829)
2 Sets of wheels solved my problem.
The 14" are used for SCCA/ER Autocrosses and the 15" wheels run everywhere else.
Thanks, I'm just curious. It won't matter immediately, but I'm trying to think ahead and avoid buying a bunch of parts I will eventually want to get rid of later on if I can avoid it.
I'm kinda thinking I might just run with BMW and NTAXS and do what I wanna do and not worry about SCCA classing.
All this stems around the fact that I might have an almost unlimited supply of free 15" Star Specs if I want them, so I'm thinking about spending money to upgrade my wheels rather than on tires to fit my stock 14" wheels.
2013 Red Volkswagen GTI
ex Miata owner
I'm thinking that's what I might end up doing.Originally Posted by POS Racing
2 Sets of wheels solved my problem.
The 14" are used for SCCA/ER Autocrosses and the 15" wheels run everywhere else.
Or I could get two cars: an autocross car and a track car...
Or three cars, an autocross car and a track car and a daily driver...
Or... oh my, this is getting dangerous.
2013 Red Volkswagen GTI
ex Miata owner
It is cheap and easy! Like me!
Glad to see at least one of the Noobs actually paying attention to the rule book!
Do tell!
He will share I'm sure he is just waiting for the right opportunity to tell us!Do tell!
If you're just doing local events I wouldn't worry so much about the letter of the law when it comes to the rules. Locally no one is going to care if you run E stock or STS.
I'm planning to be in E-Stock next season so not so sure Davidss is correct on his assumption.
If I have to abide by the rules I would expect my class compedators to do the same.
That's what everyone says but some will point out your out-of-classness every time you show up.
Bobby
RED RULES!
90 Miata, 04 Rubicon, 05 Boxster
"If I have to abide by the rules I would expect my class compedators to do the same."
+1
If it's something that makes no differance like no airbag in the steering wheel who cares, but running bigger wheels or a car that's been lowered in stock.
Fixed.
cleave- I you want to come to STS consider this an invitation. I can guarantee none of the current competitors are going to care if you run a stock miata even if it has a torsen and even if you start trophying. And you won't hear crap about it every event. All you have to do is tell people in advance and I'll even go with you if it makes you feel more comfortable.
Sure you could protest some novice for running 15" street tires in E stock. But everyone would know it's a weenie protest and you'll just get laughed at.I'm planning to be in E-Stock next season so not so sure Davidss is correct on his assumption.
Unfortunately I guess there are a few classes locally that have a high concentration of weenies (novice, tire class, and E stock come to mind). But outside of those classes as long as you tell your competitors upfront no one will care (at least locally).
I guess you haven't heard of this rule:If I have to abide by the rules I would expect my class compedators to do the same.
While the right to protest in proper cases is undoubted, it should be remembered that Solo events are sporting events, to be conducted in a sporting spirit; that all events are organized and managed by amateurs who cheerfully give their time and do their best, that the competitor may expect some imperfections of the organizers and of his fellow competitors; and that, to a reasonable extent, these things are part of the chances he takes in entering the competition.
It's a very slippery slop when people start picking which rules they want to follow. I would love to get rid of the POS clutch and reflash the ECU in the S2000 but I don't because I don't want to run BSP.
You mean like most of the boost buggies in STU?
Oh man that was too easy.
Okay, look at it this way. A guy running a stock Miata in 14" stock wheels has only two tire choices -- Dunlop and Falken. A guy running non-stock 15" wheels has those choices, plus Hankook, Yokos, Kumho, and most importantly, Toyo. I would say that is a pretty big difference that is far from laughable.
There is only one choice in E stock if you want to be competitive no matter what wheels you run, Hoosier!
This type of conversation is what scares people away form SCCA-classing and the clubs who use it, unfortunately. some folks probably read these arguments (on any forum) and decide not to bother showing-up to any autox ever, for fear that they'll be wasting a trip.
I'd like to think that extremely lax classing would be the norm in novice where it doesn't matter, and people who "stick" will soon understand the classing specifics in the open classes once they've run a few events. If new drivers are routinely steered towards novice, that will probably put them on a good path to learn the details of autox without feeling intimidated by the substantial ruleset.
Polished Turd Racing
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