Hey, where are all you "streeties"

[ken o]

You remember that time you drove JJs car? 90 seconds, it is the average length of most pro solos. In fact the last time we had a Texas sized pro solo it was around 120 seconds!

I was thinking each side was a course. Yes, it was 90 seconds with two 60 ft times.

Why not keep consistence? If SCCA is going to have a AWD, FWD, and RWD at the NTs why not have them at the Pros? Has STU/BSP taught us nothing of what AWD can do?

[slates]

Four events is not enough data to draw a conclusion from, especially if the other NTSC courses were anything like the one in Texas.

There are 30 more data points for you to look at from last year alone at the Milwaukee, Chicago, and WAI websites. There are not many AWD cars on street tires down here, but there are a lot of them up north. More than enough to draw a conclusion from.

[nomadtrash]

I love tires. Street tires, DOT racing tires, radial slicks, bias slicks. I love to smell new tires and sometimes even bring new tires in the house to counter the stinky plug in air fresheners my wife tortures me with. I love mounting tires on rims and even bought my own Coats 4040 tire changer so that I can change tires in my free time. I have four sets of wheels and tires for my car and I change periodically like changing shoes. My happiest days are when the UPS driver shows up with a stack of new tires. I'm not sure what this has to do with the discussion except a general opinion that people should use the tires they like.

[OZMDD]

I don't think any single region makes a good frame of reference for National Level classing decisions. I'm sure Milwaukee is a great region, but their data is not very helpful without knowing the other factors like course style, site conditions, driver quality/consistency, etc.

If you looked at TX Region data and the Tour and Pro here last year, you'd conclude that the NC is a dominant STR car! Then came Blytheville...

[slates]

I don't think any single region makes a good frame of reference for National Level classing decisions. I'm sure Milwaukee is a great region, but their data is not very helpful without knowing the other factors like course style, site conditions, driver quality/consistency, etc.

If you looked at TX Region data and the Tour and Pro here last year, you'd conclude that the NC is a dominant STR car! Then came Blytheville...

I really have no idea what you are talking about with National classing and Milwaukee. The discussion was really about whether AWD cars have an advantage with the PRO format, and to David's point whether any of them are classed competitively. In the case of a DS WRX, it is classed competitively, and to Ken O's point on street tires it will have an advantage on launches compared to conventional RWD cars.

[OZMDD]

Im talking about the SCCA National classing for RT vehicles compared to the ProSolo all-in-one classing. As for Milwaukee, you brought it up, as you do in 9/10 threads.

[mwortham]

I like your style Andy. I think Hoosier should make scented candles. It would give new meaning to burning rubber, and they would make your house smell like money.

[Robert]

they would make your house smell like money.

smell like burning money?

I have nothing against Hoosiers, I just don't like paying for them. When I started thinking about handing the starter a $20 bill every time I started it seemed kind of craze.

[nomadtrash]

Robert,

That isn't how the tire contingency works. You only need to put a card in the box. I think I'm going to change my work assignment to starter from now on. Please disregard my statement about putting a card in the box.

Thanks,

[Robert]

The starter never told me that!

He just smiled and told to go when it was time.

[mwortham]

smell like burning money?

Precisely.

I don't like paying for them either. But that's what motivates me to go faster!

[jrj512]

Precisely.

I don't like paying for them either. But that's what motivates me to go faster!

It must motivate quite well.

[TxCoyote]

I run Goodyear racing take offs at about $40-60 per tire. Two sets will last the season on my car even with a heavy dose at Mineral Wells. He has Hoosiers too.

JB Tire (John Berget)www.jbracingtires.net

[BMcCann]

I used JB for my first set of hoosiers. Was not a good experience...

I asked for 285 A6s. He said they had a set with about 80% tread for $700. I got sent to me 285 R6s. I called him up and he said nope, that's what you asked for (why would an AXer want R6s???). I had to pay shipping to get them back to him AND pay shipping for the A6s. I got A6s...but in 275. And then after just five 60 second runs the shoulders were corded. In the end I spent nearly $900 for tires I used for a weekend. I could have dropped about $300 more and had brand new ones and made them last 4x as long.

​Caveat emptor...

[TxCoyote]

I've bought 4 sets of Goodyears from him and they all looked great and lasted a long time. It is certainly a risk whenever buying used but you pay your money and take your chances.