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    I got to see a Solstice at Freeman Pontiac on Monday, it was a grey one. It wasn't bad but I hate that top. They should sell a few!

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    The Miata won C&D's shootout this month, too. It all comes down to the intangibles: feel, control, reactivity, etc. GM is to be commended for the Solstice: it's a very cool, very desireable car. If the Miata were stolen tomorrow, I'd certainly look at a Solstice, although I imagine I would bring home an NC in the end.

    The fact that GM would even have me looking speaks volumes about how much they got right with the Solstice.

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    I don't really read Sport Compact Car all that much(too much rice), but this month they have a 06 MX-5, vs Mazdaspeed Miata, vs thier own projecct miata in an autocross/driveability/shootout test. It was ok to read, but I think that the guys there need some auto-x driving lessons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackzx3_13
    I don't really read Sport Compact Car all that much(too much rice), but this month they have a 06 MX-5, vs Mazdaspeed Miata, vs thier own projecct miata in an autocross/driveability/shootout test. It was ok to read, but I think that the guys there need some auto-x driving lessons.
    Don't keep us in suspense, Sparky. What were the results?

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    Can't wait till my mother's Solstice comes in any day now! I'm afraid that I may favor the Solstice over the new Miata. Test drove the NC so have to wait till mommy's Solstice comes in to compare. I like the fact that you can get the Solstice stripped down, even without abs but with the sport wheels/suspension. You cannot even get a no abs option with the NC. I know most people want abs but for someone looking for a track car maybe not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by icepenguin66
    I know most people want abs but for someone looking for a track car maybe not.
    I've never understood this statement. Why wouldn't you want ABS on the track? All the good racers I've talked to prefer ABS cars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by srivendel
    I've never understood this statement. Why wouldn't you want ABS on the track? All the good racers I've talked to prefer ABS cars.

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    Not sure, but it saves a few bucks off sticker I guess. From what I understand, abs can keep you from breaking closer to threshold limiting your track day breaking...unless you have an expensive system like the Porsche handling management software. that's the impression I get
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    Quote Originally Posted by srivendel
    Don't keep us in suspense, Sparky. What were the results?

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    Oh, sorry. Their project miata was the quickest, the 06 and the Mazdaspeed were pretty close otherwise. They dynoed them all and I believe the results were Project Miata: 189hp, Mazdaspeed: 150somthing hp, 06: 134 hp. Pretty neat covershot, with all 3 generations of miata represented.
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    Quote Originally Posted by icepenguin66
    Not sure, but it saves a few bucks off sticker I guess. From what I understand, abs can keep you from breaking closer to threshold limiting your track day breaking...unless you have an expensive system like the Porsche handling management software. that's the impression I get
    I can't speak for everyone, but having raced ABS (like lugnutjon's Miata) and non-ABS cars (mine) that were otherwise almost identical, I'd opt for ABS every time. GM did put out some atrocious ABS systems in the early '90s in their bid to install ABS on every car they produced (1 or 2-channel systems that sampled at a bog slow 1 Hz), but almost every relatively recent car equipped with ABS has a decent 3 or 4-channel system with a high sampling rate.

    To put it another way, I've yet to master the skill of braking each tire to its own individual traction threshold, and being able to monitor that threshold 100 times a second. Until I can learn to do that myself, I'll prefer ABS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackzx3_13
    I don't really read Sport Compact Car all that much(too much rice), but this month they have a 06 MX-5, vs Mazdaspeed Miata, vs thier own projecct miata in an autocross/driveability/shootout test. It was ok to read, but I think that the guys there need some auto-x driving lessons.
    one you obviously have not read SCC very much, they pride themselves on the fact that they are not rice like their primedia sister publication Super Street. SCC is the only mag that measures wheel horsepower on allmost every car they test. and there have been several articles in just the last few months that concern how to set your car suspention up to handle the best and how to understand what changes are going to make what differences in the handling. and articles that expain exactly what toe, camber, caster and all those other nifty things concerning the geometry of suspention that most people in the world don't understand completely. even explained how lowering a car too much would effect all the suspention geometry.

    not to be a jerk but you really should give those guys a chance before you just declare they don't know how to drive around some cones in a parking lot.
    not to belittle soloII, i have been to a couple at pennington to watch, never felt like getting up that early on a saturday to actually participate. i'm sure i would not be able to put down a very good lap time, and i'm sure that it takes some skill and practice to accomplish good lap times. but just because SCC isn't car and driver or road and track don't assume they can't drive.

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    I actually have been reading their suspension articles lately. This issue also has a cosworth focus covered. The cool part is, Cosworth makes a kit for the new MX-5 that would give it 190whp, naturally aspirated. Pretty sweet.
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    that is pretty cool. what all do they replace? ecu, injectors, exhaust, cams etc..

    do they make stuff for us poor people with NA's

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    Quote Originally Posted by Master357
    that is pretty cool. what all do they replace? ecu, injectors, exhaust, cams etc..

    do they make stuff for us poor people with NA's
    Well, the focus kit replaced everything, so I'm gussing about the same. It had a ported head as well. As far as an NA kit, I dunno. They have one for the new MX-5 because the motor is based on a Ford Druatec motor.
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    i read that article this morning on the throne, i had skipped it cuz it had a focus in it and i frankly didn't care about reading a article about a fwd car with 20grand in mods.
    but cosworth certainly knows what they are doing i'd like to see a built out cosworth mx-5


    ya know it take me twice as long to type "mx-5" as it does "miata"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Master357
    i read that article this morning on the throne,
    TMI!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Master357
    ya know it take me twice as long to type "mx-5" as it does "miata"

    damn bastard, changing the name
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