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06-09-2009, 11:55 PM
Vandit

Class killing cars

What are some of the cars to have to be competitive in certain classes?
06-10-2009, 05:35 AM
ken o

Look at the top cars in each class.
http://cms.scca.com/documents/solo_r...for%20book.pdf

Remember the cars don't make the driver. The driver makes the car.
06-10-2009, 07:15 AM
altiain

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vandit

What are some of the cars to have to be competitive in certain classes?

What class do you want to run?

Super Stock
Elise, C5 Z06, Porsche 996 GT3

A Stock
S2000 (preferably the ’08-‘09 CR)

B Stock
RX-8

C Stock
’07 MX-5 MSR Package (roll your own – they never actually built any from the factory)

D Stock
Integra Type R

E Stock
’93 Toyota MR2
’94-’98 Miata R Package

F Stock
Ford Shelby Mustang

G Stock
Mini Cooper S

H Stock
Who cares? These cars all suck anyway. :wink:
06-10-2009, 07:57 AM
CosmosMpower

Quote:

Originally Posted by altiain

What class do you want to run?

Super Stock
Elise, C5 Z06, Porsche 996 GT3

A Stock
S2000 (preferably the ’08-‘09 CR)

B Stock
RX-8

C Stock
’07 MX-5 MSR Package (roll your own – they never actually built any from the factory)

D Stock
Integra Type R

E Stock
’93 Toyota MR2
’94-’98 Miata R Package

F Stock
Ford Shelby Mustang

G Stock
Mini Cooper S

H Stock
Who cares? These cars all suck anyway. :wink:

That pretty much sums it up.
06-10-2009, 07:58 AM
CosmosMpower

Quote:

Originally Posted by ken o

Remember the cars don't make the driver. The driver makes the car.

True that. a 1980's BMW almost beat a Nissan GTR and the BMW autocross last weekend.
06-10-2009, 08:10 AM
ken o

Quote:

Originally Posted by altiain

What class do you want to run?

G Stock
Mini Cooper S

H Stock
Who cares? These cars all suck anyway. :wink:

Mini Cooper S moving to D Stock in '10

Hyundai Genesis Coupe new G Stock car

H Stock
Mini Cooper

STX/STU any turbo cheater car. Not running stock boost.
06-10-2009, 08:21 AM
altiain

Quote:

Originally Posted by ken o

STX/STU any turbo cheater car. Not running stock boost.

You're just mad because your newest toy has half the torque and half the drive wheels, but still weighs more than a boost buggy. Must be all those underbody panels... ::Bleh::

BTW, I still think a Nismo 350Z could clean up in B Stock, but nobody has built one yet.
06-10-2009, 08:24 AM
Miatamoto

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Originally Posted by CosmosMpower

True that. a 1980's BMW almost beat a Nissan GTR and the BMW autocross last weekend.

AND... an almost stock NC was only .2 seconds slower than an Elise! :punchout: :clap:
06-10-2009, 09:37 AM
altiain

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miatamoto

AND... an almost stock NC was only .2 seconds slower than an Elise! :punchout: :clap:

Wow... that Elise driver must really suck. :wink:
06-10-2009, 10:15 AM
jeepinbanditrider

Quote:

Originally Posted by CosmosMpower

True that. a 1980's BMW almost beat a Nissan GTR and the BMW autocross last weekend.

I think I know what BMW you're talking about. That guy can drive the shit out of that car.
06-10-2009, 10:35 AM
goofygrin

ST - 89 Civic SI
06-10-2009, 10:49 AM
CosmosMpower

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miatamoto

AND... an almost stock NC was only .2 seconds slower than an Elise! :punchout: :clap:

Blah Blah, I'm sure I could have run that time clean in the afternoon. It would've been 1.2+ Plus that might have been the most un-ideal course for that car.
06-10-2009, 10:50 AM
CosmosMpower

Quote:

Originally Posted by altiain

Wow... that Elise driver must really suck. :wink:

At least I didn't run it through a cone wall to cause $800 in damage ;)

I love that old standby comeback :D
06-10-2009, 10:59 AM
altiain
Quote:

Originally Posted by CosmosMpower

At least I didn't run it through a cone wall to cause $800 in damage ;)

I love that old standby comeback :D

Two things:
- It was one cone, not a wall. Get it right.
- It's not my fault the damn cars are made out of balsa wood and tissue paper. If Lotus built a car with a bumper that would actually pass US safety regs, perhaps this wouldn't be an issue.
06-10-2009, 11:32 AM
Darron65

Wow altiain, imagine what he'd be saying if his car was not repaired. :rolleyes:
06-10-2009, 11:55 AM
jrj512

Quote:

Originally Posted by CosmosMpower

Plus that might have been the most un-ideal course for that car.

No excuse -- the course was not ideal for any car, so we all had the same handicaps.
06-10-2009, 12:03 PM
blackzx3_13

Street tire-Anything D stock
06-10-2009, 12:47 PM
POS Racing

Quote:

Originally Posted by CosmosMpower

At least I didn't run it through a cone wall to cause $800 in damage ;)

How much damage did you cause CosmosMpower when the battery broke loose and "modified" the rear end of your Lotus while AXing?? ::2Dollar:
06-10-2009, 01:33 PM
CosmosMpower

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Originally Posted by POS Racing

How much damage did you cause CosmosMpower when the battery broke loose and "modified" the rear end of your Lotus while AXing?? ::2Dollar:

More than your Miata is worth.

Doesn't matter though, I ended up paying almost nothing out of pocket.
06-10-2009, 01:38 PM
CosmosMpower

Quote:

Originally Posted by jrj512

No excuse -- the course was not ideal for any car, so we all had the same handicaps.

That makes 0 sense. Just because the course is the same for everyone doesn't mean it's not more ideal for some cars and less for others. Ever heard the term "course dependent"? I was stuck at the top of 1st and would be in the 3000 rpm range in 2nd where as some cars were at the 4,500+ RPM range in 2nd or had 400 ft lbs of torque. I also had the steering rack at full lock and could barely make it around some of the tight pivots.

How do you think I got beat by 3+ seconds by the same Z06 that I beat by 1+ second at MW earlier this year? We were both on the same tires (him R's, me street tires) I beat you by 1.5 Sunday (2.5 raw time) and 5 seconds at event 1, you think the driving is really that inconsistent?

http://lscbmwcca.org/autox_results/e...07-09)_sum.htm
06-10-2009, 01:43 PM
CosmosMpower
Quote:
Originally Posted by altiain

Two things:

If Lotus built a car with a bumper that would actually pass US safety regs, perhaps this wouldn't be an issue.
They did, just not until 2007+ ;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darron65

Wow altiain, imagine what he'd be saying if his car was not repaired. :rolleyes:

Thankfully it wasn't mine.
06-10-2009, 01:44 PM
sammm

Quote:

Originally Posted by CosmosMpower

More than your entire Miata is worth.

You say that like it's a bad thing! ::Banana::
06-10-2009, 02:02 PM
jrj512

Quote:

Originally Posted by CosmosMpower

::Blah::::Blah::

The course was not ideal for any production car made. No one at the event could use that as a handicap. Just accept that you did not drive well that day -- I know because I watched you drive by me several times and you did not appear very comfortable. It happens to all of us.
06-10-2009, 02:45 PM
CosmosMpower

Quote:

Originally Posted by jrj512

The course was not ideal for any production car made. No one at the event could use that as a handicap. Just accept that you did not drive well that day -- I know because I watched you drive by me several times and you did not appear very comfortable. It happens to all of us.

You don't get the point very easily do you? Yes the course sucked for everyone, but not to the same degree and not for the same reasons. Even a bad driving day doesn't explain a 4-5 second swing from the normal gap at other venues on other courses. .5-1.5 maybe, 4+ not a chance.

Course style can make a huge impact. Why do you think some cars are very competitive in a Pro Solo format and not in regular Solo?
06-10-2009, 02:57 PM
jrj512

Quote:

Originally Posted by CosmosMpower

You don't get the point very easily do you? Yes the course sucked for everyone, but not to the same degree and not for the same reasons. Even a bad driving day doesn't explain a 4-5 second swing from the normal gap at other venues on other courses. .5-1.5 maybe, 4+ not a chance.

Course style can make a huge impact. Why do you think some cars are very competitive in a Pro Solo format and not in regular Solo?

So, how was Miatamoto's NC Miata so much better suited for the course than your car?
06-10-2009, 03:00 PM
Titus

Quote:

Originally Posted by jrj512

So, how was Miatamoto's NC Miata so much better suited for the course than your car?

I believe it had a higher performance wheel nut.
06-10-2009, 03:03 PM
CosmosMpower

Quote:

Originally Posted by jrj512

So, how was Miatamoto's NC Miata so much better suited for the course than your car?

Because his car was in the meat of the powerband in 2nd instead of bouncing off the rev limiter 60% of the time. Plus it has a faster steering rack (15.8:1 vs NC 15:1) and larger steering wheel which helps greatly in the first tight box and pin turn arounds.
06-10-2009, 03:09 PM
CosmosMpower

Quote:

Originally Posted by Titus

I believe it had a higher performance wheel nut.

I won't disagree with that.
06-10-2009, 03:25 PM
jrj512

Quote:

Originally Posted by CosmosMpower

Because his car was in the meat of the powerband in 2nd instead of bouncing off the rev limiter 60% of the time.

Sounds like someone needed to shift to second.

Quote:

Originally Posted by CosmosMpower

Plus it has a faster steering rack (15.8:1 vs NC 15:1) and larger steering wheel which helps greatly in the first tight box and pin turn arounds.

I'll give you that.
06-10-2009, 03:38 PM
CosmosMpower

Quote:

Originally Posted by jrj512

Sounds like someone needed to shift to second.

I'll give you that.

I couldn't shift to 2nd my in car. The car tops out 1st gear at about 42 mph. If I shift to 2nd at 40 mph I'm back down to 5,000 rpm and on the 1st cam with a whopping 107 ft lbs of torque. If I slow down a little bit to say 25 mph for the slow u turns I'm now at 3,000 rpm only to need to shift back into 1st and rape the rev limiter. The car is just geared where it's out of the powerband or out or revs everywhere instead of having one gear where it can pull from say 4,500 in the slow stuff all the way to redline. I was probably in the rev limiter not accelerating for a solid 2-3 seconds for the duration of each run or I could have gone to 2nd and bogged my way around the course.
06-10-2009, 03:53 PM
Ataim

Quote:

Originally Posted by CosmosMpower

That makes 0 sense. Just because the course is the same for everyone doesn't mean it's not more ideal for some cars and less for others. Ever heard the term "course dependent"? I was stuck at the top of 1st and would be in the 3000 rpm range in 2nd where as some cars were at the 4,500+ RPM range in 2nd or had 400 ft lbs of torque. I also had the steering rack at full lock and could barely make it around some of the tight pivots.

How do you think I got beat by 3+ seconds by the same Z06 that I beat by 1+ second at MW earlier this year? We were both on the same tires (him R's, me street tires) I beat you by 1.5 Sunday (2.5 raw time) and 5 seconds at event 1, you think the driving is really that inconsistent?

http://lscbmwcca.org/autox_results/e...07-09)_sum.htm

:snack:::Arm::
06-10-2009, 03:57 PM
CosmosMpower

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ataim

:snack:::Arm::

Hey Nancy, why don't you get your ass out here and race instead of playing jerk off from the sideline? :rolleyes:
06-10-2009, 04:27 PM
jrj512

Quote:

Originally Posted by CosmosMpower

Hey Nancy

:clap:
06-10-2009, 04:29 PM
MadMonkey

Man, you guys are making me want to autocross again :D I've been pursuing too many other interests lately.
06-14-2009, 05:47 PM
BenCronin04

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Originally Posted by MadMonkey

Man, you guys are making me want to autocross again :D I've been pursuing too many other interests lately.

If your "pursuing other interest" has to do with the one in your avatar, sign me up!
06-14-2009, 10:54 PM
MadMonkey

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Originally Posted by BenCronin04

If your "pursuing other interest" has to do with the one in your avatar, sign me up!

You obviously haven't been around here long ::BaHump::

;)
06-15-2009, 05:07 PM
dark shadow

just wondering what class my ms3 would be in
06-15-2009, 05:17 PM
blackzx3_13

D stock I believe
06-15-2009, 06:14 PM
goofygrin

Yep, Dstock. Wrong thread though ;)
07-14-2009, 09:29 PM
Vandit

So what does it take to build a competitive STS-class Miata? What year/model is the one to have? Typical must-have mods?

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