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08-14-2007, 10:03 AM
Titus

Martini Miata!

Keith Tanner has finished the build of his Martini themed Miata for competition in the Targa Newfoundland... It really turned out nice!

http://www.targamiata.com/images_lrg/800/IMG_7731.jpg
08-14-2007, 11:10 AM
onething

I like it. I was surprised that it is not FI since Flyin' is sponsoring it.

Why Martini? I may be a little slower today . . .
08-14-2007, 11:27 AM
Sharpie

He's using an FM stroker motor. 200hp should be pretty good.
08-14-2007, 11:41 AM
Darron65

That's hot.
08-14-2007, 11:50 AM
Titus

Quote:

Originally Posted by onething

I like it. I was surprised that it is not FI since Flyin' is sponsoring it.

It has to do with the race requirements... the most appropriate class for the Miata is "Late Modern, Modified Small" where forced induction is not allowed.

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Originally Posted by onething

Why Martini? I may be a little slower today . . .

I think he just always like the Martini Racing paint jobs.

Edit: Yep.... here is a comment about it.

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Originally Posted by Sharpie

He's using an FM stroker motor. 200hp should be pretty good.

Yep... nothing like a high compression 2 liter motor. That is the engine I would like to build for a Locost some day.
08-14-2007, 12:20 PM
altiain

Quote:

Originally Posted by Titus

Yep... nothing like a high compression 2 liter motor. That is the engine I would like to build for a Locost some day.

If I wanted a small displacement, normally aspirated engine I think I'd start with an SR20 or F20C before I started with a Miata motor, YMMV.
08-14-2007, 12:30 PM
Radio-Active

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Originally Posted by altiain

If I wanted a small displacement, normally aspirated engine I think I'd start with an SR20 or F20C before I started with a Miata motor, YMMV.

I'd have figured you'd go for a 13B or a 20B.

That is being that you're a wanker.
08-14-2007, 12:49 PM
Titus

Quote:

Originally Posted by altiain

If I wanted a small displacement, normally aspirated engine I think I'd start with an SR20 or F20C before I started with a Miata motor, YMMV.

Perhaps, but they would not be right for my situation...

1) I only have experience working on my Miata. Knowing that a locost build is nearly over my head to begin with, I would be best off going with the system that I know.
2) There are several kits out there that are designed to use the Miata drivetrain. Again... knowing that the build is nearly over my head to begin with, I am best off avoiding anything that would require additional engineering to make work.
08-14-2007, 12:51 PM
modernbeat

Quote:

Originally Posted by Titus

... nothing like a high compression 2 liter motor. That is the engine I would like to build for a Locost some day.

Not an FE3? It's not as well supported as a BP, but if you're in the mood to fabricate a Locost, some additional grinding and welding shouldn't scare you away.

Kia Motor + B2200 transmission case + Miata 5speed guts + FC RX7 diff and housing + aftermarket ECU and sensors = great Locost drivetrain.
08-14-2007, 01:48 PM
Titus

Quote:

Originally Posted by modernbeat

if you're in the mood to fabricate a Locost, some additional grinding and welding shouldn't scare you away.

Sorry... not that hardcore... The first requirement in my build is that it is from a Kit. The first question I ask about each kit (besides price) is how complete is it. The second question is "Does it require any welding?" :punchout: There are 3 kits in my radar right now, all based off of Miata donors. There is one that is VERY complete, but expensive. There is a second that is very affordable, but not nearly complete. Right now I am leaning toward the 3rd one that is somewhere between the 2 on both counts. :D
08-14-2007, 02:33 PM
miataspeedracer

Hmm...I'll be the first to admit I don't like the way it looks.
08-14-2007, 02:50 PM
modernbeat

Quote:

Originally Posted by Titus

Sorry... not that hardcore... The first requirement in my build is that it is from a Kit. The first question I ask about each kit (besides price) is how complete is it. The second question is "Does it require any welding?" :punchout: There are 3 kits in my radar right now, all based off of Miata donors. There is one that is VERY complete, but expensive. There is a second that is very affordable, but not nearly complete. Right now I am leaning toward the 3rd one that is somewhere between the 2 on both counts. :D

The only welding differences to get a FE engine to sit where a BP engine was designed to go would be the intake manifold, the coolant lines (possibly), and the engine mounts.

FWIW, I'll be selling a Locost once the D-Prepared car starts coming together. It's Gene Young's old car. Set up for D-Mod, but with a bike engine. Now legal for B-Mod.
08-14-2007, 03:14 PM
2K Miata

Quote:

Originally Posted by miataspeedracer

Hmm...I'll be the first to admit I don't like the way it looks.

ditto
08-14-2007, 03:27 PM
tailchaser

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2K Miata

ditto

No, you're the second.
08-14-2007, 03:30 PM
Titus

Quote:

Originally Posted by miataspeedracer

Hmm...I'll be the first to admit I don't like the way it looks.

Keep in mind that a good deal more of the white areas will be filled in by numbers and more sponsor logos.

Also, out of curiosity... Are you not a fan of the Martini livery, or are you just not a fan of this Miata interpretation of it?
08-14-2007, 04:16 PM
miataspeedracer

Quote:

Originally Posted by Titus

Keep in mind that a good deal more of the white areas will be filled in by numbers and more sponsor logos.

Also, out of curiosity... Are you not a fan of the Martini livery, or are you just not a fan of this Miata interpretation of it?

I don't like the "interpretation." The stripes are not very harmonious and don't work well with the overall shape of the Miata, especially at the nose.
08-14-2007, 05:56 PM
redmenace

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Originally Posted by tailchaser

No, you're the second.

Semantic Man strikes again!

Didn't Martini livery have not quite so much white? Maybe I'm thinking of the Gulf GT40s...
08-14-2007, 06:37 PM
Titus

Quote:

Originally Posted by redmenace

Semantic Man strikes again!

Didn't Martini livery have not quite so much white? Maybe I'm thinking of the Gulf GT40s...

I did a search and it seams to vary...

http://www.historiclanciarally.it/eq-carrara.jpg
http://www.classicdriver.com/upload/...127/teaser.jpg
http://www.blogmotori.com/wp-content...-martini-3.jpg
http://galeria.forocoches.com/data/5...e_917_K_01.jpg
http://faimg1.forum-auto.com/mesimag...ham%20bt45.JPG
08-14-2007, 06:50 PM
tailchaser

With all due respect to Mike Myers, Sean Connery, etc... if it's not Lancia, it's craaaaap.
08-14-2007, 07:07 PM
altiain

Quote:

Originally Posted by tailchaser

With all due respect to Mike Myers, Sean Connery, etc... if it's not Lancia, it's craaaaap.

Erm... I'd say Martini Racing is more synonymous with Porsches, but that's just me.

BTW, I dig the silver Martini livery on that 917.

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